Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 17

[Slings and Arrows]

Previous thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1471591/posts

[Canadian Outrage]

LOL!!

[Canadian Outrage]

Oh doesn't that make you gag deetch??? Same type of thing I received from Brisenden (sp?) sometime ago. I must get those emails off today. Actually I think it probably helps when emails come from countries other than the US don't you?

[deetch]

Absolutely,

The response was so canned. I sent the person who responded some information like the confession, Dompig's the three "are guilty as hell."

What is enraging is how they keep mentioning that they've spent resources. No doubt that inlcudes the damage control company who outsourced to John Pauly, Steve Cohen and other expenses that they no doubt include which have nothing to do with the investigation.

They refuse to address the security guards truth and the van der sloot lie. They refuse to address the "mistakes" and have the same procedures in place.

It just is not safe for Americans there. Is there a better place to kill Americans than Aruba?

[shebacal]

Just emailed Aruba Tourism Authority.

Good to hear. Let's hope ATA gets lots of negative letters and e-mails.

I read a story years ago about a guy who murdered his girlfriend (I forget the reason why). Then his imagination started working on him. He began to realize there was a sketeton attached to his back. He could see it, but noone else could. As he walked around, went to work, ate, tried to sleep, there the skeleton was, always with him. And it started talking to him, whispering in his ear. As I recall, the story ends with him going insane.

Urine, I hope that a skeleton has been forming on your back. I hope your conniving papa and mama can see it, too. I hope the sounds of Natalee struggling for her last breath will stay with you for as long as you live. I hope you can never trust talking to anyone, ever, about what you did to Natalee for fear they will turn you in for the reward.

Paulus, are you still sweating buckets as you relive the nightmare that your son brought on your house? Or did you participate, too, in bringing about Natalee's death? Was it your ATM withdrawal that night that paid for her disposal? How do you like working off Urine's legal debts? How many years will you be working in bondage for that debt? Or, are you just happy to have any job at all, now that your government income has finally ended? You and mama formed the monster, you have only yourselves to blame for the spawn-from-he!!. Do you live in fear of having him living in your home now, afraid that if you lay the blame at his feet, he will turn on you and mama?

As for Dickpooo, when he wants a new car and needs a trade-in or has to get rid of his 'rapemobile' car, I hope he has to stop to think, what if someone buys it and gets it forensically tested and somehow finds rape evidence? Will he just keep it in mama-everybody-lies-alpo's front yard forever, as it rusts away, charging admission to see the place where Natalee was last seen alive? Will this be his source of income in his old age, on the island that only cares about its Dutch citizens? Does he now wonder if the conflicted ALE will find a way to pin Natalee's death on him or his brother, but and not on Urine? Is he the least bit worried about that eventuality?

Have a rotten future, guys, you certainly have a rotten past.

[penowa]

I found this link to a TV interview that Beth did I believe when she was in Palm Desert to speak to the National Sheriffs' Assn. that you posted. There is a TV clip on the site from her interview, but I didn't watch it.

"While her quest to find out what happened to her daughter continues, Beth Twitty told us she was shocked at the information she just received from her lawyer. Aruban authorities have apparently decided to close the investigation into the disappearance of her daughter."

The link is titled "Natalee Holloway's Mom Speaks to CBS2" and is dated 1/6/06

http://www.deserttelevision.com/Global/story.asp?S=4330610

[shebacal]

I don't know if this is an inadvertent repeat of an announcement of an event that took place last July, or if this is a new search to take place soon.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Saturday, January 07, 2006

Search for Natalee Holloway resumed

ARUBA – A team of investigators of the University of Florida in Panama City will soon start with searching for possible remains of Natalee Holloway, the American teenager that disappeared in May of last year. The team consists of experts in the field of underwater crime scene investigation and will search the bottom of the sea around Aruba.

The team will use advanced sonar equipment that is remotely controlled from a boat. The investigators have a lot of experience with these kinds of searches and have collaborated in the past with searches under water for victims and evidence after hurricanes and murders. The team is doing the search upon request of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP).

[deetch]

Remember this from Tim Miller last year?

Miller later goes on to say a rather interesting piece of information in that in his discussions with Police Chief van der Straaten that they have enough evidence to prosecute:

MILLER: I’ve spent a lot of time with the Police Commissioner van der Straaten, and he told me that he has got enough stuff without a body for prosecution. Our deal is to bring Natalee home. That family needs that body. They need to be able to say goodbye and start their healing process.

Natalee is not alive. I’m sorry. And somebody knows. And now we’re starting to get angry our own self. We’re searchers over here on their island, but now I’m getting angry.

What can best be described as one of the biggest differences in perceptions in the extent of which Aruban officials and Americans ones are willing to go can best be summed up with Tim Miller’s next comment.

MILLER: Well, you know, it could be hopeless. But you know what, going back to the family’s house, we brought in some special equipment to do wells and manhole covers and stuff. And I would love to get in their backyard, because I understand there’s an abandoned well in their backyard that I certainly would like to put this equipment down into. So, I would hope somebody would honor us in letting us — us in their backyard to do that. And if I get egg on my face, I get egg on my face. But you know what, I want to clear that.

[shebacal]

From the video:

Beth: "Actually, I just received some news yesterday that was very disappointing, from my attorney, that there is a strong possibility that the Aruban officials will close the investigation. They have no intentions of ever reinterrogating or requestioning the three suspects that are involved with her disappearance".

[penowa]

Gee, Sheba, that makes me feel even better. /s Not that this isn't exactly what I was expecting. Still, I felt better when it was not coming from Beth.

[Canadian Outrage]

Precisely deetch. Any resources they spent were NOT on investigating. Beth and Dave and the family paid for EVERYTHING that was done. Even the dump search. They are pathetic. Your right, they spent resources ONLY on the coverup.

Great place to stay away from.

[Canadian Outrage]

Penowa, a real investigation was never OPENED. Karin Janssen's file could have been filled with crossword puzzles for all we know. We KNOW that they didn't investigate ANYTHING. I pray that Aruba goes bankrupt.

[Canadian Outrage]

That's the place that I honestly believe is her grave. Paul Van der Sloot 'WENT CRAZY" when Tim Miller politely asked to use his equipment to search the well and his property. Paul Van der Sloot also has a DEAL with LE that his property WILL NEVER be allowed to be searched. That is WHY THEY ARE SO CONFIDENT, no body, no case.

[shebacal]

Scared Monkeys has interesting comments on several articles:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/.

Excerpt...
Tim Miller Going Back To Aruba to Search for Natalee Holloway
January 9th, 2006
SM: In an interview this afternoon with Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch it was learned that he will be returning to Aruba later this week for preliminary talks with Gerold Dompig and other Aruban officials. Tim Miller plans to go to Aruba with Jim Whitaker, an expert in underwater searches. Tim Miller stated that he has previously talked to Gerold Dompig regarding the matter and looks forward to discussing and mapping out a plan of action with Dompig and other Aruban officials. Their primary goal is to find Natalee.


Excerpt...
Beth Twitty: “Aruban authorities have apparently decided to close the investigation”
January 8th, 2006
SM: While in Palm Desert speaking at the National Sheriff’s Association Conference according to reports from CBS 2, Beth Twitty is stating that she has been told by her attorney that Aruban authorities have apparently decided to close the investigation. into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Snip...
SM: This is rather curious seeing that not to long ago a select group from Aruba traveled to Washington, DC and met with US Representative Spencer Bachus December 13, claiming the following:

"Rep. Spencer Bachus said he came away from a Friday meeting with Aruban officials with the sense that they plan to vigorously pursue leads in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway."

Snip....
SM: And of course this statement,

“Their intention going forward … is not to shut this case down, but to continue to pursue it vigorously,” Bachus told reporters. “They do not consider it a closed case nor do they consider that they have a dead end. They continue to develop information and pursue leads.”

Excerpt...
Bon Dia: Paul van der Sloot will now work as a lawyer in the office of Mr. Carlo
January 7th, 2006
Bon Dia Aruba; January 6, 2006 (Translated news article)

He threatened case against Public Prosecutor if he did not obtain good conduct document
Paul van der Sloot will now work as a lawyer

SM: Just when you thought you heard of everything in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway comes this article in Bob Dia Aruba.

"A Bon Dia investigation demonstrates that Mr. Paul van der Sloot chose to stay in Aruba and that he wants to continue working as a lawyer given that he did not completely achieve his judgeship studies. There is a rumor circulating that Mr. Paul van der Sloot will work in the office of Mr. Carlo. Bon Dia Aruba called Mr. Carlo’s office for more information, but he couldn’t be located."

SM: The office of Attorney Antonio Carlo who represents Joran Van der Sloot? Please tell us it is not the one and the same one.

"Antonio Carlo, an attorney for the Dutch minor, told the AP: “My client maintains his innocence.” He said the boy would appear before a judge at 2 p.m. EDT."

"Carlo refused to comment on the alleged admission."

SM: I truly hope that this is either a rumor or just a bad joke. The ethical and improper nature of a “conflict of interest” aside; does anyone on Aruba have a concept of what positive PR is? Who is advising these people? Do Arubans understand what this looks like to the many who already have an issue with the perceptions of a cover up and quit pro quo in the Natalee Holloway investigation? This continual type of behavior and brazen actions will only cause people who ride the fence to and become appalled and boycott Aruba.

You can read the rest of Scared Monkeys' take on these articles here: http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/.

[shebacal]

OT: Update on the Irish girl missing from cruise ship.

missingexploited.com

Lynsey O’Brien Missing from Cruise Ship

Snip...
A family member raised the alarm on Thursday morning after the 15-year-old was discovered missing from her cabin.

Snip...
“We have a full investigation going on,” said Lynn Torrent, president of Costa Cruise Lines.

SM: At least in this case the cruise ship did the right thing and circled the area until further help was provided.

Snip...The cruise ship then circled the area until Mexican Navy vessels arrived to aid in the search. The cruise line said the ship’s staff is trying to console the parents. “They’re devastated,” Torrent said.

Snip...It is understood Ms O’Brien was on the top deck of the ship with her 11-year-old sister, Imelda, when she fell overboard. Her sister then alerted her parents and a search was initiated.


www.sun-sentinel.com/

Irish teen vanishes from cruise ship on trip from Port Everglades to Mexico

By Tom Stieghorst, Business Writer
Posted January 6 2006

Snip...
The passenger, who was traveling with her family, was aboard the cruise ship Costa Magica, which left Fort Lauderdale on New Year's Day for a weeklong Western Caribbean itinerary. It is due back on Jan. 8.

[shebacal]

OT: Irish girl missing from cruise ship.

http:today.reuters.co.uk/

Mexican navy combs Caribbean for missing Irish girl
Sat Jan 7, 2006 10:28 PM GMT

Excerpt...
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexican navy rescuers combed waters off the country's Yucatan peninsula in boats and helicopters on Saturday for an Irish girl thought to have fallen off a cruise ship, authorities said.

The cruise ship, operated by Carnival Corp., was off Mexico's Islas Mujeres islands when the teenager fell overboard in the early hours of Thursday, said Mexican navy officer Genaro Escalante.

He said bad weather had hampered the search.

"They haven't found anything yet but the search continues," he said. "The wind has been very strong."

[LucyT]

Paul van der Sloot chose to stay in Aruba

Wonder why? Maybe to make sure the well is never searched during his lifetime?

[shebacal]

Maybe to make sure the well is never searched during his lifetime?

Absolutely. He can never sell his house, unless he sells it to Jan VDS or other crony.

[gg188]

Absolutely. He can never sell his house, unless he sells it to Jan VDS or other crony.

If that house could be bought by some wealthy contributor(s) to Beth's cause, the well, cistern, and any fresh concrete or whatever could be dug up...

[shebacal]

Here comes the spin. This is what Aruba calls 'a good tourism month for July, 2005 compared to July, 2004 - an increase of 0.04 percent. But, even that is not true.

This report claims 49,413 Americans in July 2005, and compares it to 49,362 Americans in July 2004, claiming an increase of 0.1 percent. The true rate in July, 2004 for Americans was 50,217, which comes out to a decrease for July, 2005. (from Table 10 of Central Bank of Aruba report)

www.aruba-bb.com/
Posted by Eddy: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:03 pm
July 2005 Overall A Good Tourism Month For Aruba

January 9th 2006, Aruba.

ORANJESTAD-Aruba welcomed 69,959 stay-over arrivals in July 2005 in comparison to 69,930 stay-over arrivals in July 2004, an increase of 0.04 percent or flat growth. Visitors spent 565,472 nights on the island in July 2005 in comparison to 548,548 nights in July 2004, a moderate increase of 3.1 percent. The average hotel occupancy rate stood at 86 percent in July 2005 in comparison to 82.4 percent in July 2004, an increase of 3.6 percentage points.

For the first 7 months of 2005 a total of 453,875 stay-over visitors were welcomed on the island in comparison to 425,172 arrivals in the same period for 2004, an increase of 6.8 percent.

USA

Aruba welcomed 49,413 Americans in July 2005 in comparison to 49,362 (true figure: 50,217) Americans in July 2004, an increase of 0.1 percent. For the first 7 months of 2005 Aruba welcomed 257,848 Americans in comparison to 234,423 Americans in the same period for 2004, an increase of 10 percent.

Particularly the Northeastern states have done well in generating visitors for the island. Stay-over arrivals from the U.S. Northeast region grew by 3 percent in July 2005 in comparison to July 2004. Of the amount of U.S. arrivals on the island in July 2005 a good 47 percent are from the
Northeast region.

Arrivals from Connecticut are up by 0.8 percent to 1,786 arrivals in July 2005, Maine up by 28.3 percent to 118 arrivals, Massachusetts up by 17.6 percent to 5,049 arrivals, New Hampshire up by 12.6 percent to 535 arrivals, New Jersey up by 3.2 percent to 6,805 arrivals, New York
down by 3.8 percent to 8,320 arrivals, Rhode Island down by 7.5 percent to 495 arrivals and Vermont down by 36.7 percent to 38 arrivals.

Arrivals from the Mid-Atlantic region fell by 0.5 percent in July 2005 in comparison to the same month in 2004. The two most important Mid-Atlantic states for Aruba are Pennsylvania and Maryland. Arrivals from Pennsylvania fell by 1.2 percent in July, 2005 to 4,380 visitors. Maryland generated 0.8 percent more arrivals to 1,940 visitors in July 2005.

The U.S. Midwest is the region with the sharpest decline in arrivals for Aruba in July 2005. Arrivals from the Midwest declined by 7.7 percent to 5,714 visitors.

Three important Midwest states for the island are Illinois, Ohio and Michigan. Aruba welcomed 1,920 arrivals from Illinois an increase of 17.6 percent. Arrivals from Michigan fell by 28.8 percent to 596 visitors and arrivals from Ohio fell by 17.1 percent to 1,375 visitors.

The Southeast region generated 8,672 visitors for Aruba in July 2005, a decline of 1.9 percent in comparison to July 2004. Arrivals from Florida rose by 7.4 percent to 2,697 visitors in July 2005, Georgia fell by 18.3 percent to 1,557 arrivals, North Carolina fell by 6.7 percent to 1,088 arrivals, Virginia is up by 6.7 percent to 1,743 arrivals.

Remarkable is the growth from South Carolina up 28.9 percent to 602 arrivals and Mississippi up 28.8 percent to 103 arrivals. Alabama the home state of the missing teen Natalee Holloway showed a decline of 25.6 percent to 206 arrivals in July 2005.

The Western region of the U.S. generated 5,059 arrivals for Aruba in July 2005, an increase of 0.9 percent. California fell by 6.1 percent to 1,652 arrivals and Texas rose by 0.8 percent to 1,995 arrivals.

SOUTH AMERICA & THE CARIBBEAN

South American generating markets showed mixed results for July 2005. Venezuela the second most important generating market for Aruba fell by 9.6 percent to 4,870 arrivals. Colombia fell by 8.6 percent to 1,318 arrivals. Aruba welcomed 888 Brazilians in July 2005 in comparison to
594 Brazilians in July 2004, an increase of 49.5 percent. Arrivals from the neighboring island of Curacao fell by 29.1 percent to 1,741 visitors.

EUROPE

Overall there is substantial growth from European generating markets for Aruba. The Dutch market grew by 13.3 percent. Aruba welcomed 4,608 arrivals from The Netherlands in July 2005 in comparison to 4,069 arrivals in July 2004. Germany is up by 48.6 percent to 205 arrivals, Belgium up by 23.6 percent to 241 arrivals, Italy up by 21.4 percent to 125 arrivals, Austria up by 21.7 percent to 45 arrivals and the UK down by 25 percent to 809 arrivals.

Remarkable is the continuous boom in arrivals from Scandinavian countries. Arrivals from Denmark are up by 520 percent to 62 visitors in July 2005, Finland up by 163 percent to 42 arrivals and Sweden up by 152.1 percent to 184 arrivals. Norway lost its growth steam, 44 Norwegians arrived on the island in July 2005, down by 8.3 percent.

[shebacal]

...the well, cistern, and any fresh concrete or whatever could be dug up...

I'm sure family members and others keep a close watch for that house to go up for sale.