Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.
On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.
“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”
The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.
Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.
“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”
He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.
“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.
School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.
Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.
“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”
He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.
“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”
Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.
“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.
“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”
She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.
“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”
UPDATE
Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.
At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.
Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”
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Even though the four-paragraph statement is read to biology students, the district continues to teach evolution according to state education standards."We're not saying ID is science and, anyway, yes it is!"...
One of the key defense witnesses will be Lehigh University biochemistry professor Michael Behe...
Apache? We can do that one (sorry for the length).
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8962/creation.html#apacheIn the beginning nothing existed--no earth, no sky, no sun, no moon, only darkness was everywhere.
Suddenly from the darkness emerged a thin disc, one side yellow and the other side white, appearing suspended in midair. Within the disc sat a small bearded man, Creator, the One Who Lives Above. As if waking from a long nap, he rubbed his eyes and face with both hands.
When he looked into the endless darkness, light appeared above. He looked down and it became a sea of light. To the east, he created yellow streaks of dawn. To the west, tints of many colors appeared everywhere. There were also clouds of different colors.
Creator wiped his sweating face and rubbed his hands together, thrusting them downward. Behold! A shining cloud upon which sat a little girl.
"Stand up and tell me where are you going," said Creator. But she did not reply. He rubbed his eyes again and offered his right hand to the Girl-Without-Parents.
"Where did you come from?" she asked, grasping his hand.
"From the east where it is now light," he replied, stepping upon her cloud.
"Where is the earth?" she asked.
"Where is the sky?" he asked, and sang, "I am thinking, thinking, thinking what I shall create next." He sang four times, which was the magic number.
Creator brushed his face with his hands, rubbed them together, then flung them wide open! Before them stood Sun-God. Again Creator rubbed his sweaty brow and from his hands dropped Small- Boy.
All four gods sat in deep thought upon the small cloud.
"What shall we make next?" asked Creator. "This cloud is much too small for us to live upon."
Then he created Tarantula, Big Dipper, Wind, Lightning-Maker, and some western clouds in which to house Lightning-Rumbler, which he just finished.
Creator sang, "Let us make earth. I am thinking of the earth, earth, earth; I am thinking of the earth," he sang four times.
All four gods shook hands. In doing so, their sweat mixed together and Creator rubbed his palms, from which fell a small round, brown ball, not much larger than a bean.
Creator kicked it, and it expanded. Girl-Without-Parents kicked the ball, and it enlarged more. Sun-God and Small-Boy took turns giving it hard kicks, and each time the ball expanded. Creator told Wind to go inside the ball and to blow it up.
Tarantula spun a black cord and, attaching it to the ball, crawled away fast to the east, pulling on the cord with all his strength. Tarantula repeated with a blue cord to the south, a yellow cord to the west, and a white cord to the north. With mighty pulls in each direction, the brown ball stretched to immeasurable size--it became the earth! No hills, mountains, or rivers were visible; only smooth, treeless, brown plains appeared.
Creator scratched his chest and rubbed his fingers together and there appeared Hummingbird.
"Fly north, south, east, and west and tell us what you see," said Creator.
"All is well," reported Hummingbird upon his return. "The earth is most beautiful, with water on the west side."
But the earth kept rolling and dancing up and down. So Creator made four giant posts--black, blue, yellow, and white to support the earth. Wind carried the four posts, placing them beneath the four cardinal points of the earth. The earth sat still.
Creator sang, "World is now made and now sits still," which he repeated four times.
Then he began a song about the sky. None existed, but he thought there should be one. After singing about it four times, twenty- eight people appeared to help make a sky above the earth. Creator chanted about making chiefs for the earth and sky.
He sent Lightning-Maker to encircle the world, and he returned with three uncouth creatures, two girls and a boy found in a turquoise shell. They had no eyes, ears, hair, mouths, noses, or teeth. They had arms and legs, but no fingers or toes.
Sun-God sent for Fly to come and build a sweathouse. Girl- Without-Parents covered it with four heavy clouds. In front of the east doorway she placed a soft, red cloud for a foot-blanket to be used after the sweat.
Four stones were heated by the fire inside the sweathouse. The three uncouth creatures were placed inside. The others sang songs of healing on the outside, until it was time for the sweat to be finished. Out came the three strangers who stood upon the magic red cloud-blanket. Creator then shook his hands toward them, giving each one fingers, toes, mouths, eyes, ears, noses and hair.
Creator named the boy, Sky-Boy, to be chief of the Sky-People. One girl he named Earth-Daughter, to take charge of the earth and its crops. The other girl he named Pollen-Girl, and gave her charge of health care for all Earth-People.
Since the earth was flat and barren, Creator thought it fun to create animals, birds, trees, and a hill. He sent Pigeon to see how the world looked. Four days later, he returned and reported, "All is beautiful around the world. But four days from now, the water on the other side of the earth will rise and cause a mighty flood."
Creator made a very tall pinon tree. Girl-Without-Parents covered the tree framework with pinon gum, creating a large, tight ball.
In four days, the flood occurred. Creator went up on a cloud, taking his twenty-eight helpers with him. Girl-Without-Parents put the others into the large, hollow ball, closing it tight at the top.
In twelve days, the water receded, leaving the float-ball high on a hilltop. The rushing floodwater changed the plains into mountains, hills, valleys, and rivers. Girl-Without-Parents led the gods out from the float-ball onto the new earth. She took them upon her cloud, drifting upward until they met Creator with his helpers, who had completed their work making the sky during the flood time on earth.
Together the two clouds descended to a valley below. There, Girl- Without-Parents gathered everyone together to listen to Creator.
"I am planning to leave you," he said. "I wish each of you to do your best toward making a perfect, happy world.
"You, Lightning-Rumbler, shall have charge of clouds and water.
"You, Sky-Boy, look after all Sky-People.
"You, Earth-Daughter, take charge of all crops and Earth-People.
"You, Pollen-Girl, care for their health and guide them.
"You, Girl-Without-Parents, I leave you in charge over all."
Creator then turned toward Girl-Without-Parents and together they rubbed their legs with their hands and quickly cast them forcefully downward. Immediately between them arose a great pile of wood, over which Creator waved a hand, creating fire.
Great billowy clouds of smoke at once drifted skyward. Into this cloud, Creator disappeared. The other gods followed him in other clouds of smoke, leaving the twenty-eight workers to people the earth.
Sun-God went east to live and travel with the Sun. Girl-Without- Parents departed westward to live on the far horizon. Small-Boy and Pollen-Girl made cloud homes in the south. Big Dipper can still be seen in the northern sky at night, a reliable guide to all.
No, that copies and pastes just the most selectively culled bit of the literature. And shall we guess you stole the anthology without attribution?
I didn't know TOE'ers had homosexual tendancies though. Got a link?
Funny, I also see more newbee TOE'rs around these threads than I, so watch who you call a troll.
I see the TOE'rs getting their bizzare theory getting shoved in the trash in the labs around the world. But what do you expect from a 150 theory?
I don't Steal anything, it's all available free for distribution on public domain.
calling me a thief is an insult though. It seems that's all you know how to do. You certainly don't have any FACTS to bring to the party.
"I don't Steal anything, it's all available free for distribution on public domain. "
When you cut and paste somebody else's work and don't even say that you did, it's theft. Unless you are really Randall Niles?
Recycled troll "newbies" showing up on these threads with extensive ping lists and the usual list of laughably ignorant arguments, quote-mined quotes, and bald-faced attempts to sucker us into flame wars while their compatriots ride the abuse button like a hobby horse are to be expected.That has become the tactic du jour, yes. Post a risible mix of untruth and fallacy, then go "Waaaaaaah! You said something unkind to me!"
Somewhere there's a creationist Carville giving all these wind-up dolls their marching orders for the week. It has to be, the way it goes through phases. There's a phase where nobody's a creationist--they're all just people who happen to be skeptical of evolution. Then we're knee-deep in YECs for a while.
I do enjoy reading your posts in which you get all up in arms about insults being hurled at creationists as you refer to evos as TOE suckers. Too funny.
The funniest part though, is you trashing the TOE based on the fact that it's 150 years old. Don't you want it replaced by an even older (by almost 2000 years) theory?
I encourage you to go back and read the entire chapters from Darwin you quoted fro above. You'll see (what I suspect you already know) is that those statements were literary devices, questions asked prior to their being answered. If you did not know that, the entire book can be read online, since the topic seems to be of some interest to you, why not try to get some first hand knowledge about it. That's why I read Behe's book.
The untruth/truth ratio of your posts should be disturbing. I've probably corrected more untruths in your posts than you've posted truths.
________________ You state that the above is "exactly what evolution theory states", can you point me to the page in Darwin's book where it states this.
I did not know that they had blenders in his day. I wonder if he was a daquiri or a margarita kind of guy.
I never said Darwin said that. I said that. TOE says everything appeared from rock soup after it rained on the hot mother earth rock for millions of years. Where did the rain come from BTW? Oh I know, a ball of ice came out of nowhere crashed into the earth and created an instant atmosphere.
By magic.
Now, go blend that beaker of frog up, put it in the sun on your window sill and observe TOE in action.In fact I'm allowing conditions which weren't present during the supposed rock soup era. I'm giving TOE every chance to prove itself.
Real scientists will observe the creation and figure it out while you watch and wait for that frog to reappear, if it can reassemble itself in the proper order that is.
Is that you, Phaedrus?
Plagiarism is not nice. If you had done this in high school you would have flunked the course; in college you would have been expelled.
If you had written this stuff yourself, the teachers would still be laughing.
The thing you should be most ashamed of is that there are ID advocates who at least ask interesting questions and find actual unanswered questions, and you are not in their league.
How's FR policy these days on calling one's opponents homosexuals?
Yeah, you're too hysterically strident, you're probably that buffoon Jesse "Mushroom" Shurum.
Real scientists have observed creation, and they call what they've discovered "evolution".
TOE says everything appeared from rock soup
It says no such thing, and no doubt you've been given evidence multiple times of that fact.
Why do you persist in presenting a cartoon version of Evolution?
I think you're here just to cause trouble.
Well said, malakhi!
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