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Returning to Dover [evolution trial in Dover, PA: week 2]
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 October 2005 | TERESA MCMINN

Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.

On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.

“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”

The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.

Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.

“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”

He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.

“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.

School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.

Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.

“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”

He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.

“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”

Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.

“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.

“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”

She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.

“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”

UPDATE

Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.

At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.

Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”


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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Thread evolution? Well, as Spencer suggested, in another context about something else, just because the Rs are turning into Liberals doesn't mean the Ds are turning into Conservatives.


521 posted on 10/04/2005 1:46:01 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale
"On the other hand, the present German regime, an anachronism, a flagrant contradiction of generally recognized axioms, the nothingness of the ancien régime exhibited to the world, only imagines that it believes in itself and demands that the world should imagine the same thing. If it believed in its own essence, would it try to hide that essence under the semblance of an alien essence and seek refuge in hypocrisy and sophism?"

Weeeeeee...

522 posted on 10/04/2005 1:53:10 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: RightWhale
"Design is necessary for the function of science.

How does that help us identify it?

523 posted on 10/04/2005 2:08:25 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

If they change their mind:

DI did ID.


524 posted on 10/04/2005 2:33:28 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: RightWhale
just because the Rs are turning into Liberals doesn't mean the Ds are turning into Conservatives

Wise indeed you are.

525 posted on 10/04/2005 2:36:36 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: b_sharp
How does that help us identify it?

Identify what? Science? The Revolution?

526 posted on 10/04/2005 2:39:50 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

LOL!


527 posted on 10/04/2005 2:57:55 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Harrisburg, PA – Eighty-five scientists have filed an Amicus Brief in the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial asking the Judge to “affirm the freedom of scientists to pursue scientific evidence wherever it may lead” and not limit research into the scientific theory of intelligent design.

Are they asking the judge to rule on whether or not ID research qualifies as 'science' research. It almost sounds like it. If he rules in their favor, does that mean the court rules that ID is science?

528 posted on 10/04/2005 3:03:26 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Did I? Did? Did, I did.


529 posted on 10/04/2005 3:31:08 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
DI did ID.

Madam, I'm Adam.

530 posted on 10/04/2005 4:33:36 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
A man, a plan, a canal, Panama!
531 posted on 10/04/2005 4:47:07 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
Palindrome List.
532 posted on 10/04/2005 4:57:33 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: RightWhale
Design.

What are the properties of design that allow us to identify it?

The IDists seem to think that specified complexity gives them the ability to identify design. I disagree with that; complexity is no measure of design since a designer can also use simple designs and nature can produce complexity. They try to get around this by claiming that there are occasions where the complexity is specified, in other words there is a purpose behind it, thus it must be designed. I say that to be specified, one must know the mind of the designer.
This means that the designer's identity must be included in the determination.
533 posted on 10/04/2005 5:04:31 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: RightWhale

"Design is necessary for the function of science."

Not design, but regularity. We can look for the regularity of natural processes, but there is no way to say if they are designed or not without some other information about the designer and the designer's capabilities. The universe needs to be predictable to do science; it doesn't need to be designed for science to function.


534 posted on 10/04/2005 5:06:02 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"We can look for the regularity of natural processes, but there is no way to say if they are designed or not without some other information about the designer and the designer's capabilities."

John's point, with which I agree, exactly.

535 posted on 10/04/2005 5:08:05 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: PatrickHenry
From that site, I'd say that, percentage-wise, not that many palindromes are clever or intriguing. This one is an example of a good one:

"Am I mad, eh?" Giselle sighed, "Am I, Ma?"

536 posted on 10/04/2005 5:09:23 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
"Bad enough my cat is indifferent to litter-box training.

Have you tried actually showing your cat how to use the litter box?

537 posted on 10/04/2005 5:11:33 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: VadeRetro

Yo, banana boy!


538 posted on 10/04/2005 5:12:36 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: b_sharp
That would just confuse him over who is supposed to be using it.
539 posted on 10/04/2005 5:13:21 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

Oh, who was it I saw? Oh, who?


540 posted on 10/04/2005 5:15:13 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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