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Returning to Dover [evolution trial in Dover, PA: week 2]
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 October 2005 | TERESA MCMINN

Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.

On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.

“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”

The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.

Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.

“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”

He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.

“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.

School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.

Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.

“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”

He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.

“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”

Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.

“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.

“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”

She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.

“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”

UPDATE

Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.

At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.

Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; dover; evolution
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To: b_sharp

Nice repeating patterns, but patterns aren't self-replicating chemicals. I asked for the names, not a tabloid description of hypothetical things.


321 posted on 10/03/2005 5:35:39 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: wallcrawlr; All
I have argued that the discontinuous gap between humans and 'apes' that we erect in our minds is regrettable. I have also argued that, in any case, the present position of the hallowed gap is arbitrary, the result of evolutionary accident. If the contingencies of survival and extinction had been different, the gap would be in a different place. Ethical principles that are based upon accidental caprice should not be respected as if cast in stone.
-Dawkins
How does one logically adhere to neo-darwinism yet separate oneself from sociobiology?
322 posted on 10/03/2005 5:35:48 PM PDT by Heartlander (Please support colored rubber bracelets and magnetic car ribbons)
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To: microgood
"We can certainly come up with some scenarios about how it could have happened, and only at a theorical level."

But there is no way to test any of them.
323 posted on 10/03/2005 5:38:36 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: PatrickHenry

Do you know how many threads I have catalogued? It runs in the four digit range. Still and all, I'll spend the next couple of weeks wading through them looking for this particular gem -- BECAUSE YOU'VE PIQUED MY CURIOSITY!


324 posted on 10/03/2005 5:38:49 PM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Heartlander

Animal Liberation Front?


325 posted on 10/03/2005 5:40:01 PM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: shuckmaster

You took the words off my fingers.


326 posted on 10/03/2005 5:45:38 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Junior
BECAUSE YOU'VE PIQUED MY CURIOSITY!

I found it. It's in the 10th Compendium, Appendix I. (Search on "patrick".)

327 posted on 10/03/2005 5:46:12 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: shuckmaster

Yes, that is the name of the website… The article is by Dawkins…


328 posted on 10/03/2005 5:47:37 PM PDT by Heartlander (Please support colored rubber bracelets and magnetic car ribbons)
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To: PatrickHenry

Woo Hoo! You're back on my Christmas list.


329 posted on 10/03/2005 6:09:25 PM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Heartlander
[shuckmaster:] Animal Liberation Front?

[Heartlander:] Yes, that is the name of the website… The article is by Dawkins…

Not so fast. At the bottom of the article it says this: "Excerpted from The Great Ape Project, edited by Paola Cavalieri and Peter Singer." That is a misguided, lefty-inspired project, methinks, but hardly a terrorist organization like ALF.

330 posted on 10/03/2005 6:10:40 PM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: my sterling prose)
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To: Heartlander

Were you trying to make a point?


331 posted on 10/03/2005 6:20:07 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: jennyp
Hmmm… Maybe … It could be a response – if so, I sit corrected.
332 posted on 10/03/2005 6:25:24 PM PDT by Heartlander (Please support colored rubber bracelets and magnetic car ribbons)
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To: PatrickHenry

I guess Hollywood knows what it is up to when it greenlights movies.


333 posted on 10/03/2005 6:28:06 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: ml1954

I asked a question.


334 posted on 10/03/2005 6:34:43 PM PDT by Heartlander (Please support colored rubber bracelets and magnetic car ribbons)
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To: b_sharp
No true replicator can be made from just proteins.


335 posted on 10/03/2005 6:35:56 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Junior


"word lawyer" ??? is that the quality of labels you can come up with? thats lame dude...

I hope that work ties you up for weeks if not months.


336 posted on 10/03/2005 6:37:00 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: b_sharp

337 posted on 10/03/2005 6:45:09 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Heartlander

You posted a statement, apparently out of context, made by someone else, and then asked a question.

This implies you think the statement was relevant to the question and it implies what you think the correct answer to the question is.

This all means to me, you were trying to make a point. So why not be explicit?


338 posted on 10/03/2005 6:47:01 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: connectthedots
I find it interesting that only one evolutionist bothered to reply to your most detailed post; and it wasn't very coherent

Perhaps it's because we're weary of debunking the same dishonestly pulled-out-of-context quotes.

Seems to me that if you were wrong in your citations of Darwin,

You mean that dishonest out of context quote to make it seem like Darwin was doubting the possibility of the evolution of the eye, when really he wasn't?

Connectthedots, you've been on these discussion long enough; you should know that quote is taken out of context and that any attempt to present it as an argument against evolution is founded in dishonesty or ignorance. Why are you still acting as cheerleader to someone who has done nothing but present a false definition of evolution supported with out-of-context quotes and who insults anyone who explains that his understanding of evolution is incorrect?
339 posted on 10/03/2005 6:58:38 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: js1138

You forgot the fourth monkey - the one with both hands covering his/her crotch :-)


340 posted on 10/03/2005 6:58:53 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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