Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.
On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.
“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”
The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.
Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.
“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”
He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.
“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.
School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.
Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.
“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”
He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.
“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”
Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.
“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.
“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”
She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.
“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”
UPDATE
Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.
At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.
Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”
You've kinda outed yourself regarding your belief in ID. In fact you don't even try to mask that the Designer of which you speak is the Christian God.
At least you're relatively honest.
I say relatively, as your first post in this thread suggested that you want "to present all materials and information to the student so that the revelation of truth will manifest."
ID and evolution do NOT constitute all the materials and information available to students, and somehow I think you would not elevate, say, the Apache creation story to the same level as ID or Christian creation. I'd be happy to have in demonstrated that I am incorrect in my assumption.
You expect someone to blindly believe that something as complex as DNA language, just miraculously assembled itself out of nothing? That's not science, that's blind faith as well.
The "theory" that some unspecified entity did X with unknown methods and for inscrutable reasons?
Colorful, but hardly accurate. Inscrutable reasons? the reason is quite clear. If you want to "observe" something, toss a frog in a blender then let the mixture of everything needed for life to create itself sit in the sun. Of course, that would be cheating, but if evolution theory is correct, the frog should remake itself. Or was a complex DNA machine with an assembled instruction language needed to assemble these ingredients correctly. The theory which makes more sense is obvious, and we CAN observe it in action and learn how it works while your waiting for your frog to reconstruct itself.
Listen, believing (yes a leap of faith just as great as faith in God) that everything magically creatd itself out of nothing is NO BETTER.
I think evolutionists are just afraid of discovering God, because then they will have to answer to him.
Many evolutionists have already said it's time to move on, that the evolution theory is flawed. Move forward with what we can observe and what we discovered and use it to discover more.
We have discovered the machine, machines are designed with inteligence.
Your thesis is that we don't want ID taught because we are "afraid" to present a different viewpoint.
I offered a reason why non-mainstream viewpoints are not taught.
If you don't have a rebuttal, then I accept your concession of the point.
Wow. Just wow. Please tell me that this statement is either (1) a parody, or (2) the result of a week-long bender on psychotropic drugs.
You can repeat that to yourself over and over, but it isn't going to change the facts.
You expect someone to blindly believe that something as complex as DNA language, just miraculously assembled itself out of nothing?
Argument from incredulity.
but if evolution theory is correct, the frog should remake itself.
Utter nonsense. Evolution theory would posit no such thing. Straw man argument.
gee, I don't know. Why do you think? Why do we design cars? Perhaps we have a purpose. Otherwise what is our purpose?
I think creationists are just afraid of having their faith challenged, because then they will have to cope with a more complex picture of reality.
Many evolutionists have already said it's time to move on, that the evolution theory is flawed.
Really? Who?
We have discovered the machine, machines are designed with inteligence.
Machines do not engage in imperfect replication. Your argument is really a repetition of Paley's watchmaker.
You can repeat that to yourself over and over, but it isn't going to change the facts."
FACTS!!!??? WHAT FACTS???? there isn't ONE FACT about evolution theory that holds water, But by all means, name them. is it a FACT that somehow an "entity" formed in nothing, from nothing exploded and evolved into everything?? That's no fact!!! That is a BELIEF, a RELIGION. It requires a leap of faith. And that's just the beginning. Somehow, it rained on a rock floating in space (with no atmosphere) for millions of years, creating rock soup, and somehow organic life sprang forth out of nothing, suddenly a cell formed, and in order to do that, a DNA atom with a library of complex information just "happened" to form, all these other ingredients just "happened" to be there at the same time, and them, if that isn't miraculous enough all life came from that over billions of years. HA! that isn't FACT!
Date link Title closeTag 2005-10-03 Returning to Dover [evolution trial in Dover, PA: week 2]
2005-10-01 ‘Why?’ versus ‘How?’ [evolution trial in Dover, PA, end of week one]
2005-10-01 For the Anti-Evolutionists, Hope in High Places
2005-09-30 [Pennsylvania] Gov. Rendell backs evolution
2005-09-30 150 attend meeting on 'stupid' theory (including Darwin's great-grandson)
2005-09-30 An Intelligent Design for Education
2005-09-30 Genes Tied To Recent Brain Evolution
2005-09-30 Grow Some Testables: Intelligent design ducks the rigors of science.
2005-09-30 Science and Scripture - 'Intelligent design' theory definitely belongs in biology class
2005-09-30 Spider 'is 20 million years old'
2005-09-30 The ‘Darwinist Inquisition’ Starts Another Round
2005-09-30 The Beauty of Branes [Cosmology & Lisa Randall]
2005-09-30 The Buckingham school: No civil liberties allowed
2005-09-29 Darwin and Malthus
2005-09-29 Have you ever really looked at intelligent design?
2005-09-29 In defense of science
2005-09-29 Intelligent Design Advocates Fight Back
2005-09-29 No Science, Please – We’re British
2005-09-29 Poll: Most doctors (63%) favor evolution theory over I.D. (However, Protestant Doctors...)
2005-09-29 Religious idea forced on classes, court told
2005-09-29 Theory of Evolution -- Not Intelligent Design -- Is Most Like Creationism
2005-09-29 Witness: 'Intelligent Design' doesn't qualify as science [Day 4 of trial in Dover, PA]
2005-09-28 Ex-Teacher Testifies in Evolution Case [Day 3 of trial in Dover, PA]
2005-09-28 Intelligent design on trial
2005-09-28 Intimidation Alleged On 'Intelligent Design'
2005-09-28 The Discovery Institute Retreats from Dover
2005-09-28 Why scientists dismiss 'intelligent design' - It would ‘become the death of science’
2005-09-28 Witness: intelligent design has identified God as designer
2005-09-27 Biology expert testifies. Professor: Intelligent design is creationism.
2005-09-27 Defending “design” in Dover, Pennsylvania (A creationist perspective - for a change)
2005-09-27 Grammar Analysis Reveals Ancient Language Tree
2005-09-27 On second day, evolution trial [Dover, PA] delves into topic of faith
2005-09-27 Science and politics: a dangerous mix
2005-09-27 Scientific support for 'intelligent design' disputed (MSM Gay Agenda alert)
2005-09-27 Trial Over 'Intelligent Design' Resumes
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Well, first I suspected he had it from some creationist website but now I think he came up with that nonsense on his own since even "Dr" Dino or Jack Chick make more sense (and they're already as bad as it gets).
How about the fact that humans and chimpanzees share about 98% sequence similarity, including broken genes and other junk DNA.
JuCo honors. Well, that's really...something.
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