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50 Reasons I Support the FairTax
President's Tax Panel - Comments | Spring 2005 | Kenneth J. Van Dellen

Posted on 09/02/2005 11:01:09 AM PDT by pigdog

Comment: 50 Reasons I Support the FairTax (How many reasons can you give for supporting the present IRS tax system?)

Those Who Know the Facts Love the Fair Tax www.fairtax.org

FairTax and Individuals and Families (Family-friendly tax reform)

1. It allows workers to keep 100% of their pay, with nothing withheld the IRS or for Social Security and Medicare payments.

2. It is revenue neutral with the present income tax system, funding the federal budget at current levels.

3. It shifts the tax to consumption. Records show that consumption is more stable than income, therefore the tax revenue stream is likely to be a more stable and predictable amount.

4. It is progressive, a “prebate” of the tax amount up to the poverty level is given to everyone. This means that those spending below the poverty level have a net gain because the “prebate” exceeds the amount paid in taxes. (Under the present system the working poor pay the payroll tax even if they get a full refund of income tax withheld.)

5. It doesn’t tax pre-owned items – clothes, cars, homes. Only new items are taxed when sold by a business to an individual.

6. It is expected to remove an average of 22% of the cost of American made goods by removing the built-in payroll tax (the other 7.65% of earnings that employers pay), corporate income tax, and other business taxes that are now passed to consumers as an “embedded" tax of approximately 22% due to the cascading of income and payroll taxes paid by U.S. employers, at every step of production, to the U.S. Treasury. Competition will cause prices to fall by approximately that amount, on average.

7. It allows families to save more for home ownership, education, and retirement. An average family making $50,000 will have $7,500 more spendable income.

8. It removes the need for formal accounts of the 401(k), IRA, HSA, etc., varieties. Anyone, rich or poor, will be able to set up any kind of savings or investment account without regard to taxes or the government. No special knowledge of tax law is necessary.

9. It makes educational tuition a tax-free expenditure of tax-free income.

10. It eliminates the income tax and the IRS. Members of Congress and the public overwhelmingly agree that the current internal revenue code is cumbersome, intrusive, coercive, and inefficient.

11. It eliminates 90% of the cost of compliance. American families and American businesses waste an estimated $250 – $600 billion per year (and countless hours of time) doing the paperwork necessary to comply with the current tax code. That is roughly $1,000 – $2,000 annually for every man, woman and child in the U.S. (Businesses typically pass their tax bills and compliance costs on to the consumer, i.e., individuals and families.)

12. It’s simple, unambiguous, and certain, the opposite of the current tax code, 60,044 pages and counting.

13. It assures that no American will find, at the end of the year, a need to get a loan to pay taxes as an alternative to penalties, interest, or cheating.

14. The broader tax base comprises everyone spending money in the U.S., including the ten percent of our economy (an estimated $1 trillion) that today is underground or under the table. Under the FairTax, the illegal drug dealer will pay his tax just like the rest of us when he buys his sunglasses, BMW, and other items, as will those who work for cash and undocumented immigrants, all of whom receive government and societal benefits.

15. It encourages work by letting workers keep 100% of their earnings and giving a rebate, in addition, making the notion that “the more you work, the more money you have”, a reality, unlike the current system where welfare is lost when you go to work, so the first dollars earned after taxes just offset what a welfare recipient is currently receiving in assistance, so working is perceived as disadvantageous.

16. It allows more of the lower income families to become home owners by allowing a second job income above their current income (all tax free) to be applied to a mortgage. Money for down payments for homes is also saved totally tax free, causing it to accumulate faster.

17. It has the result that all lending in America will be at the equivalent of today’s tax exempt interest rates, which are 25%-30% less than today’s taxable home mortgage interest rates. This will create a huge boom in housing purchases and allow existing homeowners to refinance and reduce their cost of homeownership substantially.

18. It allows families to retain farms and businesses in the hands of those who built them through the elimination of the death tax.

19. It allows families to give tax-free assistance to one another by eliminating the gift tax.

20. It gives individuals (and businesses) the right to donate as much as they want to in a given year to charitable causes, without concern for exceeding an allowed limit on giving.

21. It encourages individuals to self-insure, making the health system more direct-pay (no 3rd party pay), thus bringing costs down.

22. It puts an end to the anxiety for honest taxpayers that begins soon after January 1 for most of use, culminating in wondering whether we’ve claimed everything we legally could and nothing we shouldn’t, all without raising questions at the IRS. It makes April 15 just another day. (Perhaps it will be a holiday after the FairTax is enacted!) FairTax and Social Security and Medicare

23. It eliminates the regressive payroll tax that hurts the poor. Currently, every one of us is taxed a minimum of 7.65% on our first-dollar of wages up to $90,000 (the cap for FICA, not Medicare), if we earn that much. It provides funding for Social Security and Medicare at a level equal to or greater than the present.

24. It provides that all 290 million Americans and 51 million visiting tourists fund Social Security and Medicare with their purchases. Today only 110 million workers fund these programs via deductions from their paychecks.

25. It assures that the wealthiest Americans will be voluntarily helping to fund social security with every last dollar they spend above the poverty level. Today, earnings are subject to FICA taxes only up to $90,000. The wealthiest Americans therefore do not pay into the system above that amount. If their earnings are from investments, no earnings fund the Social Security system.

FairTax and the Economy

26. It increases investment in business by eliminating the capital gains tax.

27. It allows for better planning by businesses, because they no longer have to consider tax implications for everything they do.

28. It makes higher employment or better compensation possible in the small business sector, where today it costs approximately three dollars in compliance costs to pay one dollar in payroll and income taxes.

29. It makes American products more competitive overseas by removing the embedded tax from them, thus lowering the prices of our exports, which compensates for low foreign wages.

30. By making our exports more competitive overseas, it lowers our balance of trade deficit and increases employment at home.

31. By removing the embedded tax from them, it makes American products more competitive with imports here, compensating for the low cost of imported products from which taxes have been removed before exportation to the U.S.

32. It encourages investment in companies located in the U.S., thus providing a home for money already in the U.S. and attracting more. The U.S. will be the most attractive tax-free haven in the world for doing business.

33. It encourages repatriation to the U.S. of money held by U.S. individuals and companies now in foreign countries, with no tax consequence. American companies will return from offshore and overseas.

34. It results in a windfall profit, likely to be invested in job-making businesses, for many of those holding taxable corporate high interest bonds at the time of passage of FairTax, since the bonds will not be taxed under FairTax. (Currently, a higher interest rate is usually paid to entice investors to buy the corporate bonds rather than go with the lower interest, but tax free, municipal bonds.)

35. It results in Federal Reserve rates being based on current consumption, which is rather stable, instead of future earnings, which are less predictable, resulting in surer inflation prevention.

36. It reduces production costs for farmers and other subsidized businesses, leading to a reduction in subsidies, thus reducing the federal budget.

37. It moves many individuals now providing tax advice (return preparation, advice, accounting, planning, and records maintenance) into an expansive economy where they will be producing goods and services. There they can add to the standard of living of all Americans and likely earn more than they do currently, instead of shuffling paper for the government (and not contributing anything economically to society).

FairTax and Churches and Non-profit Organizations

38. It frees churches and other non-profit organizations from the expense of filing tax returns and paying their half of Social Security and Medicare payments for employees. There will no longer be any 501(c) (3), 501(c) (4), etc., non-profit tax status, because there will be no more tax to be exempt from.

39. It restores to churches and non-profit organizations the 1st Amendment right to engage in free speech, without fear of losing their tax-free status. FairTax and Rights and Freedoms

40. It restores the 4th Amendment, protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures, from which the IRS presently is exempt.

41. It restores the 5th Amendment, which guarantees the right to due process. Under current systems the IRS has their own courts with their own set of rules not included in the 5th.

42. It restores individual privacy. The government no longer needs to know where you work, what you are earning, and what you are doing with it.

43. It relieves citizens of the risk of facing the shift in burden of proof that is so common with the current system, i.e., the taxpayer is guilty unless innocence can be proved, but even the IRS staff sometimes gives conflicting interpretations.

44. It eliminates the need to have a "marriage" clarification declaring who you live with, as that no longer has any bearing at all on a state or federal sales tax.

45. It eliminates the need for courts to decide which divorced parent gets to take the tax deduction for children.

46. Without FICA to pay, most states, counties, municipalities, and school districts will see a large increase in their state budget revenues, additionally lowering the overall tax burden (State & Federal) for most Americans.

47. It eliminates the administrative costs incurred by states in collection of state sales taxes because states will piggyback the state tax collection onto the national tax collection, for which they are compensated by the FairTax ¼% administrative cost give-back. (Retailers receive an equal amount for collecting the FairTax.)

FairTax and Politics<\b>

48. It cleans up a major flaw in campaign financing, eliminating campaign donations for "tax favors".

49. It eliminates wrangling in Congress over tax cuts, the tax code, and who is or is not paying a fair share of the tax bill, providing more time for debate on more productive issues.

FairTax and the Environment

50. It’s good for the environment. Reportedly, the IRS sends out 8 billion pages of forms and instructions each year. Laid end to end, they would stretch 28 times around the earth. Nearly 300,000 trees are cut down yearly to produce the paper for all the IRS forms and instructions. Also, since it taxes only new items, it would encourage buying tax-free pre-owned cars, clothes, furniture, houses, etc. Reuse is good for the environment, too.

Kenneth J. Van Dellen (with help from friends)


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To: Sonny M

The income tax is RTEPEALED by the FairTax bill.

Also, no income tax law in operation can be concurrently repealed at the same time it is the tax law. That means that to be repealed, we would need to have an operating tax law to provide revenue to run the country. the FairTax indeed allows that.

No income-based tax law does.


61 posted on 09/02/2005 2:15:28 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: RobFromGa

You're the one who continues to misrepresent, pal. The 75 economists agree with me that workers get their whole check and not with your assumption that they do not.


62 posted on 09/02/2005 2:18:50 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: RobFromGa
And THIS is a clear misrepresentation of what Jorgenson said:

"It has been explained so that it is easy to understand, and it has been checked with the Harvard Chief Economist who did the study that the FairTaxers are relying on and he agrees that wages were assumed to go down to current take-home pay levels. "

What he said was IN HIS ECONOMIC MODEL HE ASSUMED AWAY INCOME AND PAYROLL TAXES to simplify the study. That my friend is a simplifying assumption which is not in concert with the 75 other economists whose letter I posted when they stated that quite the opposite would occur.

THAT is a difference of opinion despite your moronic attempts to gain 15 minutes of fame on a FR thread by misrepresentating things. You are truly pathetic. And, no - you don't know WHAT "... the FairTaxers are relying upon ..." as you pretend. It is obviously more than just a single study as is made clear by the letter from the 75 economists since that letter clearly contradicts Jorgenson's wage assumption.

63 posted on 09/02/2005 2:31:23 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Sonny M
Justice White interpreted it, unfortunatly, taking it literally, that amendment, taken literally, would be at odds with White.

I know what the 16th amendment says. I'm not so sure what you're saying.
64 posted on 09/02/2005 2:32:13 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Sonny M
Dear Sonny M,

Here is the 18th Amendment:

* * *

Amendment XVIII - Liquor abolished. Ratified 1/16/1919.

1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

2. The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

* * *

It appears that here we have a constitutional amendment that makes something illegal (the production and sale of alcohol), but permits it for one year after the ratification of the amendment.

Your reasoning is good, Sonny M.

There is no reason why we could not first pass an amendment that read:

* * *

Amendment XXVIII

1. After two years [or three years, or four year, or five years - whatever folks think we need for a transition] from the ratification of this article, the sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is repealed.

* * *

What do you think, Sonny M?

Is this impossible?

Is it that this amendment could not be passed before the NRST is passed?


sitetest
65 posted on 09/02/2005 2:37:38 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: pigdog
THAT is a difference of opinion despite your moronic attempts to gain 15 minutes of fame on a FR thread by misrepresentating things. You are truly pathetic.

Do you realize how ignorant fair taxers look when they insist that a fact is a 'difference of opinion? I suppose you don't because you continue to do it. It is not helping your cause.

66 posted on 09/02/2005 2:39:03 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: pigdog

nowhere in the letter from the 75 economists does it say that wage earners get to keep all of their current gross pay. It just says that there will be no payroll taxes or income taxes, which is true.

You notice that they don't mention anything about retail prices dropping by about 23% either. Or about them staying the same after the FairTax is added.

They may or may not have understood the Plan. There are as many ideas of what the plan will entail, as their are supporters.


67 posted on 09/02/2005 2:42:27 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: sitetest

You can "state" it 'till you're blue in the face, s-test. that won't make it true.

You seem to misunderstand how the repeal process works (and I don't just mean the number of congressional votes and number of states votes). Bills to repeal constitutional amendments have very specific requirements and trying to stick a conditional clause into the FairTax bill would not meet those requirements. The wording must be very complete and specific and the same to all states. Having the separate repeal bill is the proper way to do it.

If you think you could possibly repeal the income tax amendment while the income tax is the tax law of the land, then you are more naiive than I would have thought. No congressman is dumb enough to try that.


68 posted on 09/02/2005 2:42:40 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: sitetest
Then I'm on board, I'd prefer the "fair tax" be added via constitutional amendment if its possible.

It would alleviate any concerns about having a double tax.

69 posted on 09/02/2005 2:42:58 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: pigdog
75 other economists whose letter I posted when they stated that quite the opposite would occur.

Where in their letter do the 75 economists state that gross pay will stay the same under the FairTax?

70 posted on 09/02/2005 2:43:51 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: andyk

I'm saying Judge White did a little constructive re-interpretation of the 16th amendment and got creative.


71 posted on 09/02/2005 2:44:09 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: pigdog
since that letter clearly contradicts Jorgenson's wage assumption.

Where does the letter say this?

72 posted on 09/02/2005 2:46:48 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: pigdog

Just to make sure that your position is clear-- you are still under the impression that every wage earner in the USA will be able to receive a 20-25% on average increase in purchasing power at the retail level by implementing your Fair Tax?

Everyone will receive a 20-25% price increase in take-home pay and all prices will remain the same on average?

Is this what you still believe?


73 posted on 09/02/2005 2:49:26 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: pigdog
9. It makes educational tuition a tax-free expenditure of tax-free income.

So there is already one built in loophole? How many more will follow? What makes tuition so special?

74 posted on 09/02/2005 2:50:16 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: pigdog

Add to the advantages the elimination of the fear, by the average wage earner, of being fined, penalized, sent to prison, and losing their property, including their home, for failure to properly comply with this very complicated tax code. We know from history that some IRS agents are very aggressive in collecting what they perceive to be taxes owed. We know that certain administrations, can we say Clinton, use the IRS to punish their enemies.

That oppressive system will be all gone.


75 posted on 09/02/2005 2:56:01 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: pigdog

This is the only reason I need.

"The amount to be contributed by each citizen will in a degree be at his own option, and can be regulated by an attention to his resources."


76 posted on 09/02/2005 3:02:26 PM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel
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To: pfony1
58. etc..

Do you think there is not a lot of etc., in today's system? That is why it is so long and so complicated, it is full of etc. The K-Street lobbyists exist to impose etc. on the rest of us. How else does a code get to be 60,000 pages long and weigh more than Big Bertha? It is full of etc.

The Fair Tax is not perfect because people are not perfect. It is not immune to abuse because people are imperfect, especially many who are seduced by the spotlight and ego building perks of politics. But it will start out without all the etc. that is in the present system and we can try hard to keep it that way.

To cling to the bad until the perfect comes along is a fools game, and I know you are not a fool.

77 posted on 09/02/2005 3:06:10 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: RobFromGa
My apologies for leaving off the initial portion of the 75 economists' letter. But that's just additional proof you haven't read it or you would have known that it did, indeed, say that workers receive 100% of their checks.

Perhaps I can get all of it (without the signatures) this time:

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An Open Letter to the President, the Congress, and the American people

Concerning Reform of the Federal Tax Code

Dear Mr. President, Members of Congress, and Fellow Americans,

We, the undersigned business and university economists, welcome and applaud the ongoing initiative to reform the federal tax code. We urge the President and the Congress to work together in good faith to pass and sign into federal law H.R. 25 and S. 25, which together call for:

• Eliminating all federal income taxes for individuals and corporations,

• Eliminating all federal payroll withholding taxes,

• Abolishing estate and capital gains taxes, and

• Repealing the 16th Amendment

We are not calling for elimination of federal taxation, which would be irresponsible and undesirable. Nor does our endorsement call for reduced federal spending. The tax reform plan we endorse is revenue neutral, collecting as much federal tax revenue as the current income tax code, including payroll withholding taxes.

We are calling for elimination of federal income taxes and federal payroll withholding taxes.

We endorse replacing these costly, oppressively complex, and economically inefficient taxes with a progressive national retail sales tax, such as the tax plan offered by H.R. 25 and S. 25 – which is also known as the FairTax Plan. The FairTax Plan has been introduced in the 109th Congress and had 54 co-sponsors in the 108th Congress.

If passed and signed into law, the FairTax Plan would:

• Enable workers and retirees to receive 100% of their paychecks and pension benefits,

• Replace all federal income and payroll taxes with a simple, progressive, visible, efficiently collected national retail sales tax, which would be levied on the final sale of newly produced goods and services,

• Rebate to all households each month the federal sales tax they pay on basic necessities, up to an independently determined level of spending (a.k.a., the poverty level, as determined by the Department of Health and Human Services), which removes the burden of federal taxation on the poor and makes the FairTax Plan as progressive as the current tax code,

• Collect the national sales tax at the retail cash register, just as 45 states already do,

• Set a federal sales tax rate that is revenue neutral, thereby raising the same amount of tax revenue as now raised by federal income taxes plus payroll withholding taxes,

• Continue Social Security and Medicare benefits as provided by law; only the means of tax collection changes,

• Eliminate all filing of individual federal tax returns,

• Eliminate the IRS and all audits of individual taxpayers; only audits of retailers would be needed, greatly reducing the cost of enforcing the federal tax code,

• Allow states the option of collecting the national retail sales tax, in return for a fee, along with their state and local sales taxes,

• Collect federal sales tax from every retail consumer in the country, whether citizen or undocumented alien, which will enlarge the federal tax base,

• Collect federal sales tax on all consumption spending on new final goods and services, whether the dollars used to finance the spending are generated legally, illegally, or in the huge “underground economy,”

• Dramatically reduce federal tax compliance costs paid by businesses, which are now embedded and hidden in retail prices, placing U.S. businesses at a disadvantage in world markets,

• Bring greater accountability and visibility to federal tax collection,

• Attract foreign equity investment to the United States, as well as encourage U.S. firms to locate new capital projects in the United States that might otherwise go abroad, and

• Not tax spending for education, since H.R. 25 and S. 25 define expenditure on education to be investment, not consumption, which will make education about half as expensive for American families as it is now.

The current U.S. income tax code is widely regarded by just about everyone as unfair, complex, wasteful, confusing, and costly. Businesses and other organizations spend more than six billion hours each year complying with the federal tax code. Estimated compliance costs conservatively top $225 billion annually – costs that are ultimately embedded in retail prices paid by consumers.

The Internal Revenue Code cannot simply be “fixed,” which is amply demonstrated by more than 35 years of attempted tax code reform, each round resulting in yet more complexity and unrelenting, page-after-page, mind-numbing verbiage (now exceeding 54,000 pages containing more than 2.8 million words).

Our nation’s current income tax alters business decisions in ways that limit growth in productivity. The federal income tax also alters saving and investment decisions of households, which dramatically reduces the economy’s potential for growth and job creation.

Payroll withholding taxes are regressive, hitting hardest those least able to pay. Simply stated, the complexity and frequently changing rules of the federal income tax code make our country less competitive in the global economy and rob the nation of its full potential for growth and job creation.

In summary, the economic benefits of the FairTax Plan are compelling. The FairTax Plan eliminates the tax bias against work, saving, and investment, which would lead to higher rates of economic growth, faster growth in productivity, more jobs, lower interest rates, and a higher standard of living for the American people.

The America proposed by the FairTax Plan would feature:

• no federal income taxes,

• no payroll taxes,

• no self-employment taxes,

• no capital gains taxes,

• no gift or estate taxes,

• no alternative minimum taxes,

• no corporate taxes,

• no payroll withholding,

• no taxes on Social Security benefits or pension benefits,

• no personal tax forms,

• no personal or business income tax record keeping, and

• no personal income tax filing whatsoever.

No Internal Revenue Service; no April 15th; all gone, forever.

We believe that many Americans will favor the FairTax Plan proposed by H.R. 25 and S. 25, although some may say, “it simply can’t be done.” Many said the same thing to the grassroots progressives who won women the right to vote, to those who made collective bargaining a reality for union members, and to the Freedom Riders who made civil rights a reality in America.

We urge Congress not to abandon the FairTax Plan simply because it will be difficult to face the objections of entrenched special interest groups – groups who now benefit from the complexity and tax preferences of the status quo. The comparative advantage and benefits offered by the FairTax Plan to the vast majority of Americans is simply too high a cost to pay.

Therefore, we the undersigned professional and university economists, endorse a progressive national retail sales tax plan, as provided by the FairTax Plan. We urge Congress to make H.R. 25 and S. 25 federal law, and then to work swiftly to repeal the 16th Amendment.

Respectfully,"

(signed by 75 recognized economists and sent to all members of Congress and President Bush)

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Maybe I got it all this time.

Please note that it does as I said - identifies 100% of the wages as belonging to the workers. This obviously either shows a difference of opinion with what YOU represent (or misrepresent) Jorgenson's position to be OR they also have more information available to them than have you. But, of course, that couldn't be ... right???

78 posted on 09/02/2005 3:06:17 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
say that workers receive 100% of their checks.

Yes, they will get 100%, we all agree that there would be no taxes withheld. But 100% of what?

79 posted on 09/02/2005 3:09:26 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: RobFromGa

I finally could see that if an employer would give all an employee's withholding back to him he could not simultaneously deduct that amount from his prices. However, there is still a 7.65% FICA that the employer pays to the government. He does not withhold it from his employee and has no obligation to give it to him. That must be recovered in his selling price.

Would you agree with that?


80 posted on 09/02/2005 3:10:22 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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