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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16
Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

Posted on 08/26/2005 4:40:09 PM PDT by TexKat

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)


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To: besafe05

Agreed...2x.

They might have to more than redouble -- with the lack of world attention on them right now.


941 posted on 08/30/2005 10:36:47 AM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: Froufrou
No idea. I just Googled "bald women" for images and she popped up.

I would have put in a pic of Sinead (she is loverly to moi), but I hate her personality and politics.

942 posted on 08/30/2005 10:37:42 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

DS - You know, I really am trying to see what you see. Maybe it would help if I liked girls. :o(

Naw...ain't happening for me. I could see maybe a little hair...Susan Powter "stop the insanity" or maybe Sinead (is there an echo in here?) Girly-wise, I think Meg Ryan is cute beyond the word.

I wonder what Natalee would look like with short hair? Really cute, I bet. She has natural waves in her hair and reddish highlights. I miss Natalee.


943 posted on 08/30/2005 10:37:48 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Malichi

didn't mean to sound pompous

you didn't....


944 posted on 08/30/2005 10:45:13 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Dark Skies

Personality and politics is a problem you'll no doubt have with just about any of the H'wood group. Whatever happened to that Sean woman? The one who was in Bladerunner? I loved that movie...


945 posted on 08/30/2005 10:45:39 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

I wondered if maybe in a panic and trying to keep her hidden if they didn't cut off her hair, and or color it.


946 posted on 08/30/2005 10:54:29 AM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: Froufrou
I miss Natalee.

Regarding the "balk look", I always thought that Madison Ave and the beauty and fashion industry ruined the natural beauty of women by trying to get them addicted to their products.

I once had a friend, who worked in the fashion industry...and she was loosing her hair. She was very pretty girl but she was deeply depressed about it.

One night, over too many cocktails, I mentioned to her that some men like short hair (and no hair) on women. The next time I saw her (several weeks later), she had cut her hair extremely short and had even changed her whole appearance to match her hair style. She looked terrific. She had shifted to black as a primary color and was absolutely glowing when I saw her (getting rid of depression can do that).

Though we never spoke of my otherwise stupid comment, I always hoped that I might have given her a little extra courage.

947 posted on 08/30/2005 10:58:53 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Froufrou

Sean Young I believe. I have Blade Runner on DVD, One of my favorite movies of all time. Hasnt been anything like it in a long time.


948 posted on 08/30/2005 11:00:14 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: justche

"...the premediated murder charges are to discourage further looking..."

and expanding the investigation into areas such as we are contemplating! The pro-aruba/VDS bunch sees a window right now to manage the public perception of this case relatively unopposed, with Katrina wall-to-wall on the tube and Jossy more or less silenced for now.

Regardless of Jossy's motivation and shady history, he has done plenty to keep this going.....there is no question in my mind that he is on the opposite side of the fence to the people who bring us the coverup and blame the victim and other such nonsense.....trolls and opportunists were all over the teevee probably more than even the message-boards.

The silence of the Dutch-appointed Governor-General (the man with the real Executive power over the aruban "government" and civil servants) is deafening to me.

His name is Fredis Refunjol

(another freddie)


949 posted on 08/30/2005 11:07:46 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

The Holloway case is considered an internal affair. The Govenor General appointed by the Queen and is part of the executive branch which can only act in matters of defense, foreign affairs, and the Supreme Court. At least that's the excuse that would be given as to why he is not involved. We might as well be asking why the Queen is not handing out orders.


950 posted on 08/30/2005 11:24:41 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Administrative divisions: none (part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands)

Independence: none (part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands)

Legal system: based on Dutch civil law system, with some English common law influence

Executive branch: chief of state: Queen BEATRIX of the Netherlands (since 30 April 1980), represented by Governor General Fredis REFUNJOL (since 11 May 2004)

head of government: Prime Minister Nelson O. ODUBER (since 30 October 2001)

cabinet: Council of Ministers (elected by the Staten)

elections: the monarch is hereditary; governor general appointed for a six-year term by the monarch; prime minister and deputy prime minister elected by the Staten for four-year terms; election last held 28 September 2001 (next to be held by December 2005)

election results: Nelson O. ODUBER elected prime minister; percent of legislative vote - NA

Legislative branch: unicameral Legislature or Staten (21 seats; members elected by direct, popular vote to serve four-year terms)

elections: last held 28 September 2001 (next to be held by NA 2005) election results: percent of vote by party - MEP 52.4%, AVP 26.7%, PPA 9.6%, OLA 5.7%, Aliansa 3.5%, other 2.1%; seats by party - MEP 12, AVP 6, PPA 2, OLA 1

Judicial branch: Joint High Court of Justice (judges are appointed by the monarch)

Political parties and leaders: Aruba Solidarity Movement or MAS [leader NA]; Aruban Democratic Alliance or Aliansa [leader NA]; Aruban Democratic Party or PDA [Leo BERLINSKI]; Aruban Liberal Party or OLA [Glenbert CROES]; Aruban Patriotic Party or PPA [Benny NISBET]; Aruban People's Party or AVP [Jan (Henny) H. EMAN]; Concentration for the Liberation of Aruba or CLA [leader NA]; People's Electoral Movement Party or MEP [Nelson O. ODUBER]; For a Restructured Aruba Now or PARA [Urbana LOPEZ]; National Democratic Action or ADN [Pedro Charro KELLY]

Political pressure groups and leaders: NA

International organization participation: Interpol, IOC, UNESCO (associate), WCL, WToO (associate)

Diplomatic representation in the US: none (represented by the Kingdom of the Netherlands)

Diplomatic representation from the US: the US does not have an embassy in Aruba; the Consul General to Netherlands Antilles, Robert E. SORENSON, is accredited to Aruba

http://travelblog.org/World/aa-gov.html


951 posted on 08/30/2005 11:26:17 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

I'm not much of a traveler outside of our bordering neighbors, and don't really forsee it in at least the near future. I do think, I would do a 'whole buncha' research on where I was going, making sure there was an embassy, etc. etc. in light of this situation.


952 posted on 08/30/2005 11:37:14 AM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

From your post:

"Executive branch: chief of state: Queen BEATRIX of the Netherlands (since 30 April 1980), represented by Governor General Fredis REFUNJOL (since 11 May 2004)"

From this site:

http://infotut.com/geography/Aruba/Government/

"GOVERNMENT
Part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Aruba has full autonomy on all internal affairs with the exception of defense, foreign affairs, and the Supreme Court. The constitution was enacted in January 1986. Executive power rests with a governor while a prime minister heads an eight-member Cabinet. The governor general is appointed for a 6-year term by the monarch, and the prime minister and deputy prime minister are elected by the Staten, or legislature, for 4-year terms. The Staten is made up of 21 members elected by direct, popular vote to serve 4-year terms. Aruba's judicial system, which has mainly been derived from the Dutch system, operates independently of the legislature and the executive. Jurisdiction, including appeal, lies with the Common Court of Justice of Aruba and the Supreme Court of Justice in the Netherlands."


953 posted on 08/30/2005 11:44:14 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Dark Skies

"Though we never spoke of my otherwise stupid comment, I always hoped that I might have given her a little extra courage."

I have a friend like that in NY, very petite. Why do you say 'once had?' I haven't talked to my friend, so maybe she's a 'once had' for me, too? :o(


954 posted on 08/30/2005 11:46:59 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: justche

I stopped working overseas in the early 80's......americans working overseas are a different bunch than regular tourists and our military/diplomatic types. The word to the wise back then (and I would guess still now) is that if you (an American) find yourself in difficult circumstances or trouble, it was better to seek assistance at a British embassy......and if immediate tramsportation out of the country was in order, your chances were best at a Russkie embassy as they would provide it if only to make the US look bad. The moral of this is that the State Dept is not very interested in providing services for Americans in distress......Foreign Relations is their thing, to a fault.


955 posted on 08/30/2005 11:48:21 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: MAWG

Hey MAWG! How UB today? I was worried about you, but you're in TX aren't you? I love Bladerunner and Chinatown. Little Big Man and Blazing Saddles. Angelheart and Zardoz.

I know. I'm weird.


956 posted on 08/30/2005 11:49:12 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

"Once had" because I moved and lost touch. I was in NYC when I knew her.


957 posted on 08/30/2005 11:50:11 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: justche

I imagine they would make her a very dark brunette. And cut short in such a way as to bring out the waves, something very pixie, a little spiky.

When I was in WA, there was nothing to do except go to cosmetology school. They only had a junior college then and I was beyond the 60 hours already.


958 posted on 08/30/2005 11:51:04 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: truthluva

"Executive power rests with a governor."

no ambiguity there....


959 posted on 08/30/2005 11:51:55 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Here's where the problem lies for the Governor:

"Aruba has full autonomy on all internal affairs with the exception of defense, foreign affairs, and the Supreme Court."

I don't like and think it's a crappy way to do things, but this is how they do it...in Aruba.


960 posted on 08/30/2005 11:56:43 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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