Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16

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Light earthquake between Aruba and Paraguaná

ORANJESTAD — An earthquake measuring 3.2 on the Richter scale could be felt in parts of Aruba this morning. The Meteorological Department received numerous calls from worried people in the areas of Noord, Santa Cruz and Oranjestad who felt a strange tremor.

The earthquake started at eight fourteen. The epicenter was located at 21.4 km South-Southwest of the Reina Beatrix airport, at sea between Aruba and the Venezuelan peninsula of Paraguaná.

According to the meteorologist Mark Oduber this morning’s heavy rains that passed over Aruba were unrelated to the earthquake. It does happen sometimes that people experience an earthquake the same as the noise of thunder and lightning. “People who thought that more lightning was on the way this morning, actually felt the earthquake”, stated Oduber.
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Gee, wonder if any of the worried calls came from PVDS. Maybe he thinks the wrath of God is closing in on him.

Just another crime-free day on Aruba:

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Assailants escape with 35,000 florins

ORANJESTAD — On Saturday night three armed assailants robbed a safe from a container at Bushiri. The safe had 35,000 florins in it. The container was being used as an office by an US construction company currently executing construction work at the Marriott hotel. The money was supposed to be used to pay the construction workers.

On Saturday around three in the morning the police was called by a security company who had been called by their two security guards. The guards had apparently been the victims of an armed assault. A patrol call was immediately dispatched to the scene where they found the two guards. They recounted that they had been attacked by three men, two of which spoke Papiamentu and one Spanish. The assailants were armed with a revolver and a knife and they tied up the guards warning them to keep quiet. They then proceeded to remove the safe with money from the container. Once the guards were sure that the assailants had left, they managed to free themselves and immediately contacted the security company by mobile phone who in turn warned the police.

Police spokesman John Larmonie stated that the assailants-team is investigating the matter. If you have any information you can call the tip line, telephone number 11141, or you can contact the Oranjestad police directly at 582-4000.

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Aruba exports alot of Aloe. Not much is grown there given the sandy soil.

That quote in my post about mercenaries is quoted from Penowa, not a quote from Dompig.

Who is quoting me about mercenaries? I'm confused too. Can't figure out who is talking about what.

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Sorry for the confusion, Penowa. It wasn't your quote. It was Nuntukamen's quote. I got ya'll confused. Must be the strong resemblance between ya'll. ;)

I recently read about Aruba's Aloe business. They used to be the largest grower and distributor of Aloe products worldwide. Their aloe business reduced because other places began to produce aloe commercially. And I am proud to say that South Texas took some of their aloe business away. Fields of aloe vera are plentiful in the Rio Grande Valley now.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9896591/

'Scarborough Country' for Nov. 1st
Read the transcript to the Tuesday show
Updated: 9:22 a.m. ET Nov. 2, 2005

Guests: Deborah Orin, Kenneth Bazinet, Bill Straub, Doug Brinkley, Holly Phillips, Beth Holloway Twitty, Steve York, Ryan Capes

Snip...
But first, Natalee Holloway now disappeared from Aruba five months ago, and her mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, is back on the island today demanding answers. Aruban Police Chief Gerald Dompig says he is continuing the investigation, but he wants more detailed statements from the Alabama teens that were on that fateful trip. Beth is supposed to meet with the Aruban authorities Thursday, and she is with us now in Aruba, Beth Holloway Twitty.

Beth, you are a long way from your Birmingham home. When we spoke there, you were very excited about having a new police chief in charge down there. How are things going? Are you still excited?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, Joe, first of all, absolutely, we did welcome Deputy Dompig coming into Natalee‘s case. We did that early on, as early as June 5th. And also, we were looking forward to him, you know, getting involved in the investigation now.

But, you know, it just concerns me, some of the information that I have been hearing coming from Aruba. And I am here, I was hoping to clear the air on some of that, I was so hoping to meet with him today or tomorrow, but I have not been able to get a phone call returned from him, and don‘t really have a definitive meeting scheduled as of yet, but I am on the island, so it‘s very disheartening.

SCARBOROUGH: Also, you know, he was on a show earlier today, and even though the Aruban police are continuing to investigate Natalee‘s disappearance, it‘s still clear, Beth, that there‘s a lot of resentment about your being there. Let‘s hear what Dompig—again, here‘s the guy that you were saying wonderful things about when we had the interview in your home just a few weeks ago.

This is what he told MSNBC‘s Dan Abrams just earlier today.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

GERALD DOMPIG, ARUBAN POLICE CHIEF: I object again to the fact that the mother comes in—the grieving mother comes in with a film crew, so that I think it will be—the time will best be spent to sit with the investigating team so that we can fill up all the blanks instead of coming over with a film crew. I don‘t know what that agenda is about.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH: I tell you, Beth, I don‘t understand what his agenda is about right now, because obviously you want to do anything you could do to help with the investigation. You have been spending the past five months doing that. Why does it sound like he is actually attacking you when you have reached out and been very positive about him taking over this investigation?

TWITTY: Well, Joe, I don‘t know, and I know that you know me, and as well as every viewer that you have ever reached, they know that I simply did not come in with a large film crew. I came in with a teacher friend, Joe, and that‘s just simply not true that I came in with a large film crew.

SCARBOROUGH: Well, it sounds like he is actually trying to stir up even more resentment on the island. Can you tell us, is there something going on behind the scenes that we don‘t know about, is he being pressured by Dutch authorities, or being pressured by some powerful families on that island?

TWITTY: You know, Joe, I don‘t know, but we have to keep thinking it has to be way bigger than these three perpetrators that have involvement in Natalee‘s disappearance, and this crime committed against her, the gang rape and her disappearance.

It‘s just not limited to these three perpetrators. And, you know, as far as—if another media happens to be on the island or finds out I am here, you know, I can‘t help that, Joe, but, you know.

SCARBOROUGH: Yes. Well, he also—we understand that he was talking about the possibility of doing more searches off the coast, and expanding the investigation. I understand right now those searches haven‘t moved forward yet either, is that correct?

TWITTY: Well, that‘s correct, and as of yesterday, I think the remaining searchers pulled out because a request had to come from the prosecutor‘s office or the police department for the FBI‘s assistance, and they knew how to contact the FBI, and this information—the necessary equipment that we needed from the FBI would cause us to move forward in this search.

And, you know, the depth of the waters now, it‘s three to five miles into the ocean, and it‘s just exceeded the current equipment that‘s on the island, so we needed some additional help from the FBI, but they will not make that request to the FBI.

SCARBOROUGH: You know, Beth, it sounds so disheartening, because, again, you were so excited about this new police chief coming in. It sounds like the new police chief is acting a lot like the old police chief. Are you ready at this point—if he doesn‘t step forward, and, again, starts actively seeking the truth in this case, are you ready to move forward with calling for a possible boycott of Aruba?

TWITTY: Well, I think we are absolutely ready to move forward with some other movement. If it turns towards that, it‘s a very sad day, because we have really given them so many opportunities to come forward, and you know, we have had so many setbacks as it is, Joe, as far as how the case has been mishandled all along.

And you know, there‘s just no way we can get off track for a moment, and, you know, it‘s already been five months too long, and we have to keep the investigation on helping Natalee and finding her. And if they choose not to do that, I see no other path for us.

SCARBOROUGH: Now, before we go, I want to clear this up, because, again, we understand there is the new police chief in there. I had understood the old police chief had possibly left the island. Do you know if he is having any influence in this investigation? Do you think he could possibly be pressuring Dompig, who, really, he has done a 180. I mean, this guy has completely changed the path of this investigation since we spoke a couple of weeks ago. You think he may be feeling some pressure from the old police chief?

TWITTY: Well, it certainly appears that way to me, and I—hopefully while I am here, I will find out more definitive information on Van Der Sloot‘s involvement. I think that it has still been quite heavy. I don‘t think that it was ever, ever—he was ever removed from the case. I think he has kept his hand in it quite frequently.

SCARBOROUGH: And I will tell you what, with all of the connections—close connections he has with obviously key families on that island, that is so disheartening. Beth Holloway Twitty, thank you so much for being with us. We are going to stay with you in the coming days and weeks, and if you need to get any information out to Americans, let us know, obviously, we are all very interested in joining in a boycott. We are just waiting for your word. So thanks so much, and good luck and God bless down there.

TWITTY: Thanks for the support, Joe, thank you so much.

SCARBOROUGH: All right, good talking to you again.

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From: Gary L. Bauer, Chairman, Campaign for Working Families
Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2005

Europe’s Nightmare:

Events in Europe this week offer a disturbing glimpse of the future, but you wouldn’t know it from the American media which has virtually ignored the developments.

First, there have been five nights of rioting in the suburbs of Paris by Muslim youth battling police.

And in Denmark a number of young Danish Muslims have been arrested and charged with plotting suicide attacks in that country and throughout Europe.

In Holland a group has been apprehended that was plotting to assassinate Dutch politicians who want to restrict further Muslim immigration into the country.

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'The Abrams Report' for Nov. 1st
Read the transcript to the Tuesday show
Updated: 9:29 a.m. ET Nov. 2, 2005

Guests: Shereen Jackson, Michael Haynesworth, Dorothy Lennig, Justine Andronici, Catherine Crier, Wendy Long, Gerold Dompig, Dave Holloway, Dick Deguerin

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Plus, Natalee Holloway‘s mother, Beth, heads back to Aruba as a war of words seems to be developing between Beth and the deputy police chief. He joins us to talk about that and whether an arrest could be imminent.

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ABRAMS: Coming up, Beth Holloway back in Aruba, turning up the heat on the local authorities. The Aruban deputy police chief is back with us tonight for an exclusive interview to respond to some of the allegations, first the headlines.

(NEWS BREAK)

ABRAMS: Beth Holloway Twitty is back in Aruba. It‘s now five months since her daughter Natalee disappeared and the tension seems to be growing between Beth and local authorities. She‘s become increasingly critical of what she says has been the authorities lack of focus on the investigation.

Joining me now on the phone is Aruba‘s deputy police chief, Gerold Dompig. Deputy Chief, thank you very much for taking the time. Appreciate it.

GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY POLICE CHIEF (via phone): Thank you for having me.

ABRAMS: All right. Let me—I want to read you some of Beth‘s statements and I want to have you respond. First of all, this one was specifically directed at you.

I hate that Deputy Dompig is losing focus of the investigation on the perpetrators that perpetrated a gang rape against my daughter. It‘s just unbelievable that they would protect these three perpetrators. I just can‘t imagine them thinking that it‘s going to go away. It just seems like to me it‘s getting worse with each twist that they take.

Your response.

DOMPIG: Well, I regret those statements because I think anybody should understand and can understand that we have made a lot of efforts to conduct a professional investigation and in many cases, we have given the family every chance to sit with us and to take their statements.

And I think Mrs. Twitty was the one who canceled an appointment that we made for her a couple of weeks ago. And I only heard about the cancellation after calling her attorney and so I regret that. And I think that it‘s not true at all.

We have to investigate and as we investigate, we seriously have to look at all angles and we need answers and I don‘t know maybe some people are getting nervous because we want more detailed statements from the Alabama kids and no one is saying that the focus is off these three boys. No. We just need more answers and maybe these answers can also help us to make the case stronger against these three boys...

ABRAMS: All right. Now...

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: You refer to the...

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: You refer to the Alabama kids. Let me read you what Beth Holloway had to say about that because you‘ve been asking for more statements from her friends who were there with her in Aruba.

DOMPIG: Exactly.

ABRAMS: Beth Holloway say the following.

They have all the statements that they need from the FBI regarding the students being on the island that evening. They just need to look at them. They don‘t need to be advertising for these students to contact them. They have the statements. There‘s nothing else that they need.

DOMPIG: Well, again, I think that she must understand—with all due respect to Mrs. Twitty, she doesn‘t run the investigation. We do. And we ask the questions. If it was the other way around, we could all back up and let the family do the investigation. We are trained to do that.

We had a meeting three days ago with the FBI and we have good progress and we have spoken to the FBI and (INAUDIBLE) that we will ask them officially to assist us with all the investigators and questions we still have (INAUDIBLE) Alabama (INAUDIBLE) and that‘s going to happen and we‘re just going to have a kind of like a no-nonsense approach, not the emotional stuff and I (INAUDIBLE) the family or Mrs. Twitty tries to throw us off track but I am steadfast.

ABRAMS: When you say she‘s trying to get you off track, I mean is there some dispute as to who the chief suspects are here? I mean you had three people in custody. She believes that those three people are the ones responsible here. Is there any doubt—you arrested them and charged them with the crime, your office did. Do you now have questions about whether they were responsible?

DOMPIG: No, but I need to make the case. And to make the case—in order to make the case, there are more witnesses who left Aruba the same day. So anybody should understand that when you have 120 kids, and even roommates, leaving the crime scene or the country where something happened, anybody should understand and appreciate that we have to get more detailed statements.

The statements we have received are not detailed and (INAUDIBLE) details and we need more statements. And that information that we only discuss with professional agents. Hence, the FBI, not with the family.

ABRAMS: Let me ask you this. This is—Beth said—quote—“I called Deputy Dompig several times and left my name and number and I cannot even get him to return my phone calls. So hopefully when I land on the island, I will at least find him or run into him.”

Have you seen her down there? And what do you make of that statement?

DOMPIG: Well, again, Mrs. Twitty is in Aruba with a film crew and a large film crew and I don‘t know what the agenda is there. But we need her to make a statement (INAUDIBLE) claiming that we altered her statement in the past. So I offered her a chance to come in for a new statement and we‘re still waiting.

ABRAMS: And will you meet with her though? I mean it seems that there is some dispute as to whether you will meet with her. I mean she‘s saying you should return her phone calls...

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: I would think...

DOMPIG: No. There‘s no dispute.

ABRAMS: ... you should return...

(CROSSTALK)

DOMPIG: We—no. No, there‘s no dispute. We set the rules. We invite first people to come in to—for statements and it‘s not the other way around.

ABRAMS: Yes, but she‘s also the victim‘s mother. I mean you have to have a responsibility to keep her updated, no?

DOMPIG: Of course, but I insist that we—I need to—her to make her statement first and on the base of that, discuss with the prosecutor, what a meeting would be like with her afterwards. But we need her to come in for a statement first.

ABRAMS: What do you mean come in for a statement? I mean she‘s given a number of statements, has she not? I mean I know you‘re right that she‘s made an allegation that one of her previous statements were altered. When you say that she needs to come in and give a statement...

(CROSSTALK)

ABRAMS: ... what exactly are you talking about?

DOMPIG: Well, I can only say this. I‘m not willing to go into details but we need her. We still have a couple of questions open and we need her to help us with those blanks and if she really wants to help with the investigation, I think that she should—we have an appointment with her as a matter of fact for Thursday and so we‘re looking forward to her coming in to correct that was supposedly, according to her, statement wrong. And she will get that chance, opportunity and also the fact that we still have other questions, so that we can wrap that up.

ABRAMS: When you say—I mean just the way you‘re talking Chief it doesn‘t sound like the way I‘m used to hearing the police chief and—talking about the victim‘s mother. I mean it sounds like you‘re saying you have questions that suggest she might have information with regard to the investigation that she‘s not sharing with you?

DOMPIG: No. No. No. I think you‘re misreading me. You should understand that I, as I said in the beginning, I sympathize 100 percent with the mother and with the family. And—but I need to go forward with this investigation and the meeting we had with the FBI was a great meeting.

And the path that we set out to follow is also—we follow that. So

we‘re just moving ahead and I regret once more, I think you can understand

that I really regret, and that‘s maybe the tone of my voice, that I‘m very

you could say, I regret again the fact that the mother comes in—the grieving mother comes in with a film crew and so that I think it would be (INAUDIBLE) to stick with the investigating team so that we can fill up all the blanks instead of coming over with a film crew. I don‘t know what that agenda is about.

ABRAMS: All right. Finally, I‘ve got to just clear up something else about whether you made some allegations against her about money. Again, this is Beth Holloway saying, when I‘m hearing quotes from Deputy Dompig about me scamming millions of dollars, I feel like I must respond to those. Hopefully, I can find Deputy Dompig and see just where this information is coming from and where he‘s going with it.

Are you accusing her of somehow being involved in a scam?

DOMPIG: Absolutely not. If there‘s any money somewhere for a relief fund or Holloway fund, that‘s none of my business. And—but the only problem that I have and that‘s where I had a question. That it became my business once Mr. Miller and Mr. Dave Holloway had problems (INAUDIBLE) not really problems, but tried to get some things for certain search activities and comp hotel rooms and so on.

So—and other people like Fred Goldberg (ph), the one who came in

with the dogs, also called and tried to find out how he could get his cost

back or who could pay for the searches. And so I don‘t know. I have

questions about who do they turn to and who do they call. And that was the

only thing I had. And other than that, I think that people just turned it

blew it out of proportion. Because that is absolutely not part of the investigation.

ABRAMS: Finally, last time you were on we were talking about the possibility you might be re-arresting Deepak Kalpoe as a result of that interview...

DOMPIG: Yes.

ABRAMS: ... that he seemed to have done where he said that all three of them had sex with Natalee. Any updates on that?

DOMPIG: Well, we‘re still waiting for Holland to give us the outcome of that test. We are also contemplating an official request to the FBI to also look at the original material. I have—I understood from Mr. Skeeters that that would be the hard disk off his computer. So as we speak we are working on a official request, which is going to be sent to Washington to the prosecutor (INAUDIBLE) where we will request—one is the special equipment that Mr. Dave Holloway wanted to use that probably the FBI has—uses and the other part is also the official assistance in getting more detailed statements from the Alabama teens. So we are moving ahead and as we speak trying to get that into one document because as (INAUDIBLE) pointed out to us, these things have to be done officially.

ABRAMS: Right. All right.

DOMPIG: ... not just picking up a phone.

ABRAMS: Chief look, I mean I don‘t think you‘d disagree with this. It‘s not going to help the investigation if you and Beth Holloway are at odds in any way. I hope that you reach out to her, that she reaches out to you while she‘s down there and that you‘re able to work out any differences that you had. Because I know that you both are trying to achieve the same goal and that is finding out exactly what happened to Natalee. So Chief, thanks for coming on the program.

DOMPIG: You‘re welcome.

ABRAMS: All right. Up next, he just returned from Aruba. Natalee‘s father, Dave Holloway, is with us to respond to what we just heard.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

ABRAMS: Coming up, Dave Holloway just back from Aruba responds to what we just heard. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

ABRAMS: Sure sounds like it‘s getting ugly in Aruba. Beth Holloway Twitty is back there and seems to be going after the authorities a bit for losing focus in the search for her daughter. And you just heard Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig defending his efforts and talking a bit about Dave Holloway as well.

Joining me now on the phone is Dave Holloway, Natalee‘s father, just back from Aruba. Dave thanks again for taking the time. All right. What do you make of Gerold Dompig‘s comments?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: Well I arrived on the island on October the 18th and the following day I met with Dompig and he requested the assistance of the FBI, indicated that he would like for them to come back and utilize them as much as he could. So we said well, we‘ll try to see if we can make that happen.

In the meantime, he indicated that we needed to focus our search efforts into the ocean so you know, we‘re not going to waste any time. So we took off along with Tim Miller with EquuSearch and had boats in the water I believe by the weekend and we soon realized that we would need the assistance of the FBI and some of their search equipment, so we forwarded an e-mail to Mr. Dompig on Wednesday, sometime Wednesday requesting that he make a phone call to the FBI so that we can get this underwater equipment.

And I ended up having to leave the island on Thursday and then—and my reports back from those individuals who were left, they felt like the light had been turned out. And so I followed up again Saturday with the same e-mail the you know we‘re all sitting on the bank and we cannot get in the water until we get the assistance of the FBI and that team finally had to leave this past Monday or Tuesday.

ABRAMS: It sound—look, according to Dompig, he says that he now has spoken with the FBI and they had a very productive conversation, et cetera. I mean is the real divide here occurring over who he wants to interview? I mean he really seems to want to talk to Natalee‘s friends again. What‘s the problem with that?

HOLLOWAY: I don‘t think there is any problem with it, to tell you the truth about it. The FBI arrived on the island Thursday, the same day that I left, and I don‘t know what happened or whatever, but you know the right protocol is to go through the FBI if you want any information in the United States. It‘s that simple and so I don‘t know what the issue is there, to tell you the truth about it.

ABRAMS: All right. Because as you heard, I mean Beth seems to be suggesting they have the interviews. That there‘s really no need to speak to the friends anymore and there seems to be some issue about whether Beth is going to come in versus whether you know who‘s at fault for the lack of communication between Beth and the authorities there as well.

HOLLOWAY: Yes. Of course they run the investigations and they determine who they want to see and who they want to talk to. So you know without any further information, I don‘t know why they would want to pursue that lead any further. But if there‘s anything needed from the states, I think the FBI is capable of handling it.

ABRAMS: All right. Dave Holloway thanks a lot. Appreciate it.

HOLLOWAY: Thank you.

BS, Aruba style:

DOMPIG: ...not the emotional stuff and I (INAUDIBLE) the family or Mrs. Twitty tries to throw us off track but I am steadfast.

Truth: Beth has been focused like an arrow on finding Natalee.

DOMPIG: Well, I can only say this. I‘m not willing to go into details but we need her. We still have a couple of questions open and we need her to help us with those blanks and if she really wants to help with the investigation, I think that she should—we have an appointment with her as a matter of fact for Thursday and so we‘re looking forward to her coming in to correct that was supposedly, according to her, statement wrong. And she will get that chance, opportunity and also the fact that we still have other questions, so that we can wrap that up.

Truth: From Beth on Scarborough: And I am here, I was hoping to clear the air on some of that, I was so hoping to meet with him today or tomorrow, but I have not been able to get a phone call returned from him, and don‘t really have a definitive meeting scheduled as of yet, but I am on the island, so it‘s very disheartening.

DOMPIG: And—but I need to go forward with this investigation and the meeting we had with the FBI was a great meeting.

Truth: DomPIG is still stalling and complaining about not having time to write those 'little letters' to the FBI.

Like, DomPIG get your feet off the desk and call in the secretary to start typing. Oh, the time and labor involved!!

ABRAMS: All right. Finally, I‘ve got to just clear up something else about whether you made some allegations against her about money. Again, this is Beth Holloway saying, when I‘m hearing quotes from Deputy Dompig about me scamming millions of dollars, I feel like I must respond to those. Hopefully, I can find Deputy Dompig and see just where this information is coming from and where he‘s going with it. Are you accusing her of somehow being involved in a scam?

Advice to Beth: Beth, look under the rocks for Deputy Dog-DomPIG.

DOMPIG: Absolutely not. If there‘s any money somewhere for a relief fund or Holloway fund, that‘s none of my business.

Truth: You finally got something right, DopmPIG.

DOMPIG: And that was the only thing I had. And other than that, I think that people just turned it - blew it out of proportion. Because that is absolutely not part of the investigation.

Truth: From DIARIO Aruba -10/26/2005: "The investigative team also has different questions for the mother, about certain things surrounding this case, among others what is happening with the emergency fund that is available to them for this case." "Dompig indicated that he will ask the mother, what she did with the money that many people contributed with her, putting millions of dollars in a so-called ‘emergency fund’".

DOMPIG: Well, we‘re still waiting for Holland to give us the outcome of that test. We are also contemplating an official request to the FBI to also look at the original material. I have—I understood from Mr. Skeeters that that would be the hard disk off his computer. So as we speak we are working on a official request, which is going to be sent to Washington to the prosecutor (INAUDIBLE) where we will request—one is the special equipment that Mr. Dave Holloway wanted to use that probably the FBI has—uses and the other part is also the official assistance in getting more detailed statements from the Alabama teens. So we are moving ahead and as we speak trying to get that into one document because as (INAUDIBLE) pointed out to us, these things have to be done officially ... not just picking up a phone.

Truth: It's so difficult and time-consuming to write those "little letters', huh, DomPIG. Let's see, how can the PIG find more ways to stall the investigation. Tune in for next installment.

You don't seem to understand how busy DomPIG and all the other Aruba gov't employees are banging away on their keyboards as per instructions from the porno guy from Philly, busily trying to disrupt all the NH forums on the internet (except for RWV which they co-opted way back) 24/7 doing their shiftwork, exporting their major product, disinformation. /s

These people are just amazing and the funny part is they think we're stupid enough to buy whatever they are selling. Soon even Dave Holloway will admit that he, too, has run out of patience with their antics. Sooner or later everybody runs out of patience with their B.S., but they just keep on compulsively shoveling it and lying when the truth would suit them better.

As my grandfather(DeeDee)used to say to traveling salesman then to telemarketers, "Nope, nope, not buying today. Goodbye."

Penowa, I humbly disagree. I for one am not, have not and will not ever buy the line of BS that is being disseminated by the Aruban government.

As far as the boycott goes, I have observed on several occasions in casual conversations that Aruba is not at the top of many Americans' vacation destination list. The exact Latin term describing it escapes me at the moment.

I go back to what I have said many times, this case makes no sense whatsoever. I am not referring to the differences in Dutch and American law but referring to what I had always thought were basic human emotions. It would seem that these people have let there utter contempt for everything American, including the almighty dollar, override all logical thought processes as they pertain to this case.

TAW

Well, Fox News has been covering the rioting in Paris. Don't know what this person is referring to.

Not certain what you're disagreeing with me on. You don't think Aruba is trying to sell us a load of B.S.?

I know it makes no sense how they have treated Natalee's family. With the exception of some mothers in Aruba who must have stopped and put themselves in Beth's position, most of Aruba just wants this GONE, not solved, just back to like everything was before NH arrived on their island. That bit of wishful thinking is exactly what many of the natives said they wanted when asked about the case. I don't necessarily think they have any idea what the gov't is up to, but I also don't think they care or would care if informed.

I have seen signs in small towns in W. PA turn gray from hanging in stores, waiting for someone to come up with a clue about what happened to a missing child. Neither the store owner nor anyone else would ever think of removing the photo no matter how tattered from age it became. Sometimes when you read the date, you realize if the child is still alive, they are an adult. NH's posters didn't made it through a summer. That says something about the difference in people here and there to me.

I'm sorry. I speed read half the time and thought your post said "we're stupid enough to buy their BS...", many apologies my friend. I hit 41 and everything stops working...well...not everything but you know what I mean.

TAW

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Aruba Getagrip
A compilation of translated and English language Aruban media articles regarding the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Beth Twitty arrives in Aruba today
On the same day of the start of ATCA
Bon Dia Aruba - 11/1/2005

ORANJESTAD— According to all indications and her own admissions on a few programs in the US, Beth Twitty, mother of the disappeared youngster Natalee Holloway, arrived in Aruba today.

The Holloway mother, who sustains boycott calls against Aruba’s tourism industry, arrived on the same day as the annual tourism conference, ATCA, begins.

Members of the Strategic Commission do not have the key information, but believes that Aruba will give the mother of Natalee Holloway the necessary courtesy.

This is a difficult request, given the amount of negative publicity that this lady has and is giving to Aruba constantly. The Commission is aware of this also, but looks at the importance of showing the same American media that Arubans are courteous and decent people. “We will stay in contact with the police corps regarding this matter, since it is important for them to know her itinerary while in Aruba. We will extend all cooperation to arrive at a solution to the case” said Jorge Pesquera.

But the Commission is also aware that every trip Beth Twitty makes, she speaks on American television and creates a bad impression of Aruba, and because of this he will try to contact Twitty to speak about this matter.

About the question if Beth Twitty planned her trip to coincide with ATCA, where there will be a large quantity of American tour operators, neither Mr. Pesquera nor Ms. Myrna Jansen would comment. However, in any case, ATCA is reserve for official participants who are registered, therefore it would not be permitted that the lady enters into the conference room.

Members of the Strategic Commission also ensure that Beth Twitty is in Aruba at her expense, and that they have no intention of covering any of her expenses.

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posted by Getagrip at 11/02/2005 06:13:00 PM

Wednesday, November 02, 2005

Beth Twitty regrets that authorities did not make appointment to speak with her
People preparing for a demonstration!
DIARIO Aruba - 11/2/2005

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Monday afternoon, mother of the disappeared American Natalee Holloway arrived in Aruba.

After her arrival she went at once to office of her lawyer Helen Lejuez to speak to each other.

DIARIO got in contact with Ms. Lejuez, to see if it would be possible to obtain an interview with Mrs. Twitty, however, the lawyer explained that now that Mrs. Twitty is here, she will speak to the press and perhaps today or tomorrow this will happen.

DIARIO went to the office, to get a photo of the American lady’s visit, which arose after she expressed on American television that she all those who have the intention of coming to Aruba, to reconsider, as long as the disappearance of her daughter is not solved.

After Mrs. Twitty finished at her lawyer’s office, DIARIO was able to briefly converse with Beth Twitty, and she said that now that she’s arrived in Aruba, she is very disappointed because she had the hope to converse with Commissioner Dompig and prosecutor Karen Janssen.

She explains that prosecutor Janssen apparently doesn’t have time today or Thursday.

She expressed that this is very frustrating and regrettable, given that she lived on the island for almost 4 months and it was very difficult to achieving communication with authorities regarding this case.

According to Twitty, now that it’s been about 5 weeks that she hasn’t been on the island she has heard all sorts of things that are worrisome, and she doesn’t understand that it is being said that she is not cooperating with authorities in Aruba.

She said that this is far from the truth and that now that she is here, her wish is to meet with then and they don’t have the decency to arrange something to meet with her.

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posted by Getagrip at 11/02/2005 06:16:00 PM

"But the Commission is also aware that every trip Beth Twitty makes, she speaks on American television and creates a bad impression of Aruba,"

aruba and its elite have created the bad impression, now, predictably, they are going to do their best to assasinate the messenger since they steadfastly refuse to be up front with the facts.

Members of the Strategic Commission: “We will stay in contact with the police corps regarding this matter, since it is important for them to know her itinerary while in Aruba."

To me, this sounds like a threat that Beth will be followed 24/7 on Aruba.

Members of the Strategic Commission also ensure that Beth Twitty is in Aruba at her expense, and that they have no intention of covering any of her expenses.

I doubt that Beth ever asked this commission to cover any of her expenses.