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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16
Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

Posted on 08/26/2005 4:40:09 PM PDT by TexKat

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)


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To: nuntukamen

"slooted"...very clever. In Brooklyn, we would say that Chicago moidered da bums.

I enjoyed watching Bar Bush during the last game. She was very emotional. You'd think it was a Presidential election.


3,121 posted on 10/27/2005 6:38:13 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: RGVTx

Notes from Rita Cosby:

Dompig on phone:

Great meeting with FBI even though they butted heads a couple of times...five hour meeting.

FBI focused on same scenario as ALE...focused on same three suspects.

Just now recieved an overview of all moments that Joran lied.

Need to assess which of 120 MB students to question and what needs to be asked...Dompig will come to US if needed to speak with students.

Being careful about calling boys back...they have 8 or 9 lawyers...want to be sure of where we stand when we call boys back in.

Wants Skeeters hardrive for orginal record of Deepak interview with Skeeters. Asking FBI for legal help.

Still searching water near lighthouse.
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Jug: Gerald was instrumental early on...expect him to continue now.

Skeeters: Was concerned about red flags from Dompig on Deepak tapes...checked into it...not concerned now...Dompig welcome to his Hardrive...will insist FBI come get it.

Jug: Infuriated about PVDS wanting his government job back...Arubans should not let him back in a government job...PVDS not a good man.


3,122 posted on 10/27/2005 7:02:22 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: justche; Vn_survivor_67-68; LucyT; No Surrender No Retreat; penowa; Canadian Outrage; shebacal; ...

I didn't mean to be talking to myself...so PING Ya'll to post 3122.


3,123 posted on 10/27/2005 7:05:20 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: Palladin

Thanks! Nice to know my memory is not slipping...most of the time anyway.


3,124 posted on 10/27/2005 7:08:08 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: RGVTx

Beth looks furious tonight on Greta...


3,125 posted on 10/27/2005 7:34:00 PM PDT by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: justche

Yes, she does. And she's really pounding home on the fact of the investigators and prosecutor not wanting to persue this case from the beginning. Notice she says "not wanting" instead of something like "failed to." She's not mincing words on that one.


3,126 posted on 10/27/2005 7:38:01 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: justche

Beth just verbally slapped the heck out of VDStraaten...wow!
She says they are not sure of where all the "unwillingness' to investigate came from in the beginning...if there continues to be an unwillingness it could be the prosecutor, a couple of the investigators...or if VDStraaten is back involved with the case...then we know where the unwillingness comes from.

Also, Beth said the MB kids would surely submit to further questioning...with the FBI involved...ALE needs to utilize the FBI.


3,127 posted on 10/27/2005 7:51:08 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: RGVTx

Didn't the FBI already talk to the 'kids'? What on earth could ALE hope to gain nearly 5 months later?


3,128 posted on 10/27/2005 7:53:00 PM PDT by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: justche

Good question. From what I've gathered, ALE is doing this more as a correction of their own procedures. It's something they should have done long ago, but didn't, so now they'll back up and do it now. If it isn't productive, well, hey...at least they look like they are trying to do the right thing.

It seems obvious the questioning of the students hasn't been triggered by evidence of any kind since Dompig says they still need to assess which kids they need to question and what questions they need to ask of them.


3,129 posted on 10/27/2005 8:11:56 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: Palladin

it was great seeing the Bush elders out enjoying themselves at the ol' ballgame, but the highlight for me was the slide home by Burke the other night, which should be shown over and over as a training video for Little Leaguers...other than that, the whole Series was one big slooting

...on a better note, it does look like an arrest is eminent and the Sludge Brothers Three could all be back in jail soon...on the other hand, it appears the clout of the elder van sloot has hit a homer and he has removed himself from the arrest circle temporarily


3,130 posted on 10/27/2005 9:08:32 PM PDT by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: justche

Yes, I listened to Beth and she means business when talking about HOW the investigation is to be run. She clearly wants the FBI overseeing everything. Her MIStrust of the ALE and the Prosecutor is screaming loud!!


3,131 posted on 10/27/2005 9:16:56 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Western Canada MUST separate from the rest of Canada. We are the ONLY conservatives in the land.)
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To: nuntukamen

Really? WHO said the PVDS won't be further investigated? Last I heard was Dompig said he was STILL a suspect both during and AFTER the crime or words to that effect. Please don't tell me that CORRUPT Judge has freed PVDS from any further investigation.


3,132 posted on 10/27/2005 9:20:53 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Western Canada MUST separate from the rest of Canada. We are the ONLY conservatives in the land.)
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To: Canadian Outrage; justche; nuntukamen

This is a rough translation of an article about Rudy Croes.
Thanks to Bondia at SM.
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"...according to the article sources state that Rudy Croes would retire from politics (yay!), that perhaps he's going to stay as Min. of Justice for two years (boo!) and that then he's going to slowly go in the background as a MP."


3,133 posted on 10/27/2005 9:29:16 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: Canadian Outrage

well, we are talking apples and oranges here...yes, paulus is still subject to investigation, and so is the known world, but he has extricated himself from (temporarily, i stated, please note) from the arrest circle, i.e., those people on a list that police would be about to act on...doesn't mean it can't happen, just that isn't on the agenda now, and all of this comes from long term observation of ALE, their practices and abilities (or their actual interest in) to arrest those who are in the inner circle of island brown noses...and don't be surprised if the release of joran to attend college (golly darn, isn't the aruban judicial system just the inspirational best when it come to education? oh yeah)in holland doesn't significantly delay aruban authorities ability to bring him to justice and allow a formal arrest; it could take years


3,134 posted on 10/27/2005 10:50:26 PM PDT by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: All
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Aruba Getagrip
A compilation of translated and English language Aruban media articles regarding the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Thursday, October 27, 2005
The focus is now also in the US
Beth Twitty is part of the investigation and owes Aruba some explanations
According to Commissioner Dompig
A.M. Digital - 10/26/2005

Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig is now head of the Investigating Team in the Natalee Holloway case. The team never stopped the investigation but now that he joined the team, they are revisiting all documents, analyzing all declarations and take a closer look into all available material.

Base on that they noticed that there are still some gaps in the investigation and started to close them. As such, according to Dompig, a solution of the case is possible. There are [still] suspects in the case and their release does not mean that they are free of persecution. Dompig also indicated that the Investigating Team is still receiving calls related to the case.

Another issue is that so far the investigation has been focused in Aruba. Dompig said that now he and the team have redirected the focus to also include the US, because the group of students came from the US to party in Aruba and have a good time and it cannot be that they do not know anything about what happened.

For the police commissioner the information that the investigating team received from the FBI does not represent much. Therefore Dompig will make the same appeal on the Alabama teens as he did in Aruba: to call 011 297 587 0009 ext 101 to give any information that they may have.

We all can remember that, in the days of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, many parents of those students advised them to remain silent and not to say anything to the press. The commissioner is now asking those students to break their silence. It cannot be that the focus is only on Aruba while a large group of students where with Natalee for many days and partied together. Now they have to come forward and say what they know. This is also valid for the chaperones and for Beth Twitty, Natalee’s mother.

This mother can tell us about her last contact with her daughter. Unfortunately she continues to bash Aruba out there, and does not want to return to help with the investigation. On the other hand the investigating team has good contacts with the father, Dave Holloway, who is helping with the investigation.

Beth Twitty keeps in contact with Commissioner Dompig through her lawyer in Aruba and sometimes by means of one of the talk shows in the US. Dompig however said that he will no more appear on any talk show with the mother, because Beth Twitty has been invited to come to Aruba to make declarations again, but she is not cooperating.

This is important because in the US Beth Twitty said that the police in Aruba changed her declaration and if this is the case the police is now giving her the opportunity to set the records straight by declaring again. Besides that the Investigating Team has some questions to ask Beth Twitty about her relation with her daughter Natalee.

[English language original text]

posted by Getagrip at 10/27/2005 12:34:00 PM
3,135 posted on 10/27/2005 10:52:03 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: All
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/
Wednesday, October 26, 2005
Recordings investigated in the Netherlands
Amigoe 10/26/2005

ARUBA – The authenticity of the recordings that Jamie Skeeters had made of Deepak Kalpoe is currently being investigated by the Dutch Forensic Institute. On the recording, Kalpoe had supposedly said that all three the boys had sex with the missing Natalee Holloway.

Lawyer Rudy Oomen says that his client denies ever having said this, and the lawyer had insisted to have the taped be checked. He says that the recordings were cut and pasted. Skeeter had secretly taped the conversation he had with Kalpoe in July, after he was released the first time. He presented himself as somebody that wanted to help Kalpoe. The first time the tapes were played was in Dr. Phil’s show in September. After that, the tape could be heard more often on the American TV. Chief of Police Gerald Dompig had indicated that if the tapes turn out to be authentic, Kalpoe will be heard again.

[English language original text]
posted by Getagrip at 10/26/2005 12:26:00 PM
3,136 posted on 10/27/2005 10:54:01 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: Canadian Outrage; RGVTx; justche; Malichi; No Surrender No Retreat; LucyT; Andy'smom; TexKat; ...
Guaranteed to make your blood boil:

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Beth Twitty has to come give a declaration once more and explain what is happening with the emergency fund of millions of dollars, according to Dompig
DIARIO Aruba -10/26/2005

ORANJESTAD(AAN): During an interview with Police Commissioner Dompig, he explained that the investigative team has invited Natalee Holloway’s mother, Beth Twitty to tell police more about the last contact she had with her daughter.

Dompig indicated that the mother has made her intention to boycott Aruba, while Natalee’s father has cooperated very well with the investigation.

The commissioner says that it is very lamentable that the mother prefers to have contact with police only through her lawyer or American ‘talkshows’.

He also explains that he fully denies to go on any talkshow to answer questions along with the mother.

In this way, the investigative team has invited Beth Twitty to come back to Aruba, to take her declaration again, seeing that there have been rumours around it, in which it was said that police in Aruba changed her declaration.

The investigative team also has different questions for the mother, about certain things surrounding this case, among others what is happening with the emergency fund that is available to them for this case.

The commissioner said that perhaps it’s difficult to ask certain questions, but they don’t have to lie to each other.

The case here is the mother's attacks on Aruba ending, so we are not afraid to ask certain questions.

Dompig indicated that he will ask the mother, what she did with the money that many people contributed with her, putting millions of dollars in a so-called ‘emergency fund’.

Another questions is: “ why doesn’t Natalee’s father have access to this money, when he has to ask for discounts here, like for example for his travel ticket”?

This is all he wants explained on the part of the mother of Natalee Holloway, because it’s part of the investigation. DIARIO asked Dompig if he has found any valuable tips.

The commissioner explains that every tip is assigned a number and if the tip results in being very good, the person can earn a reward, however the fund Dompig speaks of is a fund from people around the world, especially America, who have contributed with much money to help the family with expenses related to the case, that has now reached some million dollars.

According to Dompig, another important question is how this money is not used to help with payments of, for example, those who come to conduct searches in Aruba.

Commissioner Dompig showed as an example the tremendous work of Fred Golba made with his two dogs some time ago and explains that Golba wants to come back to continue searching.

Given that he is looking for funds to pay for his ticket and stay in Aruba to come search, how can he not find funds from the millions that Beth Twitty has from the fund?

This is also a very important part of the investigation. This because a case such as Natalee’s has different scenarios. One scenario is that a person killed Natalee, or for whatever reason she is no longer living.

Another scenario is that she is alive, but everything in the case is a ‘set up’, to profit in one way or another.

One possibility for example is that they said she is deceased, and they can collect the life insurance money, while in reality she is not deceased, but another way is that with collecting funds from people with good intentions that send money for the fund and the family enriches themselves.

If the mother gives information about how much money there is and how much money she is spending, he has no problem with this. However, if the mother has everything secret, this becomes part of the investigation because it puts the case in a different light.

DIARIO indicated that the more the mother appears on the programs, perhaps more money she finds for the fund. Dompig explains that the Task Force of Aruba, along with the government gave him the OK for him to go on the American live programs, but via telephone, for him to give the other side of the coin to what has happened and is happening with this case.

He explains that this has caused them to achieve a lot, seeing that America has said that at last Aruba is giving information, where they have started to look in another direction, to check other possibilities.

One of the possibilities for example, is that the three suspects are not guilty, or that they’re not the only guilty ones. Dompig explains that he is actually doing everything he can to find via the FBI the information that is missing about the group from America, more detailed declarations, so that they can exclude certain possibilities.

In no moment has Aruban police had a chance to exclude the group from Alabama in the investigation, because they left Aruba.

According to Commissioner Dompig he still has different important questions for the group, among others how they went to the airport if Natalee did not appear, and how they didn’t sound the alarm earlier than when they left, of those who where staying in the room with her.

[translated by Getagrip]
posted by Getagrip at 10/27/2005 10:52:00 AM

3,137 posted on 10/27/2005 11:03:38 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: shebacal

Please tell me this didn't happen. Wish he'd say something like this on one of the talk shows he visits. What horrible awful things to even suggest.


3,138 posted on 10/27/2005 11:06:37 PM PDT by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: All
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

According to Tim Miller of Equusearch
If this time they don’t find anything, the family will start saying goodbye to Natalee Holloway in Alabama

DIARIO Aruba -10/26/2005

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Tuesday, DIARIO conversed with the leader of Texas Equusearch, Tim Miller who is back on Aruba for the third time. Miller explained that they came back to continue looking for Natalee.

He explained that he conversed with commissioner Dompig, who indicated that he has information that perhaps Natalee was thrown in the sea.

According to Miller, they are using the ‘side scan sonar’ one more time and they are expecting more equipment to arrive on Tuesday, from a forensic diver specialized in crime scenes.

Miller explained that they also have equipment that can be used to a depth of 1000 feet because there are some areas in the Aruban sea that go to 700 to 800 feet.

According to Miller, Equusearch has 8 people in Aruba, but they have 3 or 4 more on the way. DIARIO asked Miller how long they will stay in Aruba and Miller explained that he doesn’t know yet.

He said that in the first time they came to Aruba they came for 5 days and ended up staying 5 weeks, while this trip was for 4 days, but they have been here for 7. According to Miller he anticipates that he will stay in Aruba at least one more week.

He continued to say that his intention is to find Natalee, and if she is dead, for her parents to know what happened, […] and to punish the perpetrators.

Miller explained that he doesn’t want to get involved in the FBI investigation or otherwise, so that there’s no risk for Equusearch to be responsible of any information that is leaked.

He said that if they give Equusearch any information of where to search, they will do so. Miller explained the they started searching in front of the Fisherman’s Huts, where they will search for 5 miles and will start looking in different directions.

They are covering a one square mile area per day, given that the side scan sonar process is slow and because they are waiting for more equipment. According to Miller if this time they don’t find anything, the family will start saying goodbye to Natalee, with the search mostly ended.

DIARIO asked Miller if there has been something interesting found, and he said that they found something that seemed interesting, however it turned out to be nothing important.

DIARIO asked miller if they are going to look only in the sea, and he explained that some days ago they searched along some paths inland with the help of a helicopter, however after the information they received from commissioner Dompig, they will continue to look in the sea.

[translated by Getagrip]
posted by Getagrip at 10/27/2005 11:05:00 AM
3,139 posted on 10/27/2005 11:06:59 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: justche

DomPIG has gone into his "attack Beth" mode.


3,140 posted on 10/27/2005 11:08:02 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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