Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16

Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

[TexKat]

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)

[Canadian Outrage]

Dompig gives me the creeps RGVTx. He is, as you say, often parsing words, and to me he always seems to be hedging. I don't find him easy to believe. In fact, I've heard him outright lie as compared to Beth's statements. How can this man say that Van der Sloot NEVER made a statement that he sexually assaulted Natalee while she was going in and out of consciousness? Beth not only heard him say that along with several other witnesses but she READ his statement stating the same thing. Another disappearing document to be sure. Another CHANGED document. The guy is a LIAR.

[RGVTx]

That's just it...did Dompig lie or did he never even see those statements by Joran? Is Dompig inside the corruption loop or outside and being played like a fiddle?

I know he is likely corrupt and lying, but I have the tinyest bit of hope that he is not.

[Canadian Outrage]

I have NO doubt he's lying. NONE.

[shebacal]

transcripts.cnn.com/

NANCY GRACE
Aired October 17, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Tonight, breaking news, the wife of prominent defense attorney Daniel Horowitz found dead at the couple`s California home this past weekend, a homicide investigation under way. And the judge declares a mistrial in the high-profile Susan Polk murder case that Daniel Horowitz was working on.

Good evening, everybody. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, filling in tonight for Nancy Grace. Tonight, we go live to Aruba for the Natalee Holloway missing girl case. The 18-year-old Alabama beauty`s parents head back to Aruba with a special search team. They are not giving up.

Snip...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: ...When we come back, we`re going to talk about Aruba, the very latest in the search for Natalee Holloway, some dramatic new information. Stay right there.

BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMIE SKEETERS, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Sometimes your closest friends, if they`re worried, and this thing is that big, they`ll burn you.

DEEPAK KALPOE, SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE: I don`t have any close friends anymore. They are all gone.

SKEETERS: Really, because of this?

KALPOE: Everything is empty. If I knew where the body is, I would have told them a long time ago and let them start the trial and get this over with. I don`t care.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell filling in for Nancy Grace. And we are talking about Aruba.

She went missing four months ago. And now, Natalee Holloway`s parents are headed back to Aruba. They are trying to solve this case. They will not give up. We`ve got a whole bunch of people to talk about this, but first let`s go out to "Inside Edition`s" Jim Moret for the very latest -- Jim?

MORET: Basically, you said in it a nutshell. This case started about four month ago. On Friday, it would have been Natalee`s 19th birthday. And Natalee is far from forgotten by her parents.

Her mom, Beth, and her father, Dave, are both heading back to Aruba, they feel armed with potentially new evidence. They`re going back with a search team from EquuSearch. They want to re-examine a landfill that was, in there view, not fully investigated before. They`re going to seek permits so they can continue their search.

And also, I talked with Beth Twitty recently, as recently as yesterday, as a matter of fact, and she is emboldened by that interview that you just played a portion of, because she said that those statements made by Deepak, one of the three boys who were taken into custody, indicates that these statements -- that they actually had sex with Natalee, which is inconsistent with statements that they made in the past. And she is hoping that this will ultimately lead to their re-arrest.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, one of the problems with this case, Jim, is that there have been so many statements by so many people, and they`re all so contradictory, it`s hard to keep track of what the very latest statement is. But you`re saying the latest statement that Kalpoe made was that, in fact -- and I want to clarify this, because this is so significant -- all three had sex, according to him, with Natalee?

MORET: That`s right. And that`s inconsistent with statements made to investigators and made previously. And that`s significant, because, if these boys have been released and are somehow emboldened to a point where they make inconsistent statements that would implicate them in this crime, then that may be reason enough to bring them back into custody, and reopen this investigation, and move forward in a meaningful way.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And let`s hear exactly what Deepak Kalpoe had to say to this investigator for Dr. Phil.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SKEETERS: If it was an accident, I can help all of you. And if you guys were partying, even if someone had given her a date drug -- I`m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: She did. You`d be surprised how simple it was.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Now I want to ask Jossy Mansur, managing director of "Diario" newspaper, when we talk about all three, we`re talking about the Kalpoe brothers and Joran Van Der Sloot.

Joran Van Der Sloot has gone from Aruba to Holland, where he is now going to college. Are Aruban authorities tracking him there? Are there any investigators who have gone to Holland to kind of track his movements, see if he talks to people, see if he says something that could break the case?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO": Well, I`m sure they have talked to him over there, but I don`t know who`s gone from Aruba. I have no knowledge of that. I`m sure they`ve talked to him in Holland. He`s given interviews, like everybody knows. But we don`t have much news from him from so far a ways at this point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So it`s kind of split. Joran Van Der Sloot and his dad, as I understand it, in Holland. But I believe Joran`s mother is still in Aruba. Is that correct?

And what`s the very latest on the search of Joran Van Der Sloot`s parents` house? Because my understanding is, they searched perhaps areas around that, but they didn`t search the parents` home. Is it too late to do that? Let`s face it. DNA evidence lingers for quite a while. Why can`t they get there now and do that?

MANSUR: Well, I`m sure that they will, but this man has appealed to his own sense of privacy and has refused anyone to go on his property. I know that EquuSearch wanted to do it. They even had some argument on the spot. But Paul Van Der Sloot refused for him to search his property.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Tim Miller from EquuSearch, what do you have to say about that? I mean, if in fact there`s evidence that they were in back of the house talking about a defense strategy in the days immediately after her disappearance, why can`t they get a search warrant to go in there? Is it because the laws are different in Aruba?

TIM MILLER, EQUUSEARCH DIRECTOR: Well, I mean they are different in Aruba. And I mean, even in America here we got to get a search warrant and have to have reasonable cause to do that.

But I mean, Jossy is right. I got into -- not a real argument with Paul Van Der Sloot, but I let him know that we could help him clear his image and his name. And we really wanted to search the abandoned well in his backyard and also some new concrete supposedly poured around the swimming pool.

And we had all equipment to do that with without having to dig anything up. And we said, "Will you allow us to do that?" And he literally went crazy on us.

So, you know, on our searches, we always like to start the last place a person was seen. And I think evidence or, you know, statements are coming in that we feel as though Natalee probably was there last. And so, you know, allow us to clear it. Let`s just clear that and move on. But we`ve got other areas.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me ask defense attorney Richard Herman, because you raise a very good point. If, in fact, you`ve done nothing wrong and everybody wants to search, the whole world is gathered there, saying, "Let us search your home so we can clear your name," why not say, "Come on in. I`ve got nothing to hide"?

HERMAN: Jane, he`s a judge, and he`s just too smart for that. You know, sadly, I believe this case was lost the first week to two weeks. That`s when they could have obtained the DNA evidence. They blew it then.

And now, in my opinion, without an express admission by one of these guys, not these inconsistent statements, but an expressed admission, I don`t believe this case is going to be solved, sadly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But let me ask you this: DNA lingers. And the reason I say this is that, the more I look at all of these cases, the more absolutely struck I am by the fact that, if the DNA was available, so many, many, many cases could be solved.

And as we look at many programs that detail, Luminol, all sorts of ways of finding blood evidence and DNA evidence, that linger years sometimes after the fact, is it too late? Or could we possibly get back into some of these key areas, like the Kalpoe brothers` car, the home, maybe the area she was last seen, and get a crucial piece of information?

HERMAN: Jane, it`s a possibility. It`s an absolute long shot. And we`re just never going to have that opportunity. The Aruban authorities will not give us that opportunity.

They blocked the FBI. They made them sit in the back rooms while they conducted their investigation. And I`m telling you, that first week to two weeks, that was the time they could have solved this crime.

Absent this admission, these inconsistent statements are not prosecuted in Aruba like they are in the United States. You lie to an authority in the United States, you`re going to get prosecuted.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And, I have to tell you, the family not giving up. They`re going back down there. They`re searching wherever they can.

Thank you so much.

Snip... Stay with us as we remember Specialist Bernard L. Ceo, 23, a true American hero.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Natalie Holloway`s parents, mom and dad, not giving up in the search for their daughter. Both headed back to Aruba.

Jossy Mansur, managing director of "Diario," what`s the latest on the searches? Apparently there are still underwater areas to be searched and there`s high-tech equipment now available in those searches.

MANSUR: Yes, ma`am. They did get (INAUDIBLE) and Eduardo Mansur did get some specialized undersea cameras, which they will use to pinpoint a large area of ocean that was identified by Joe Walker with his specialized equipment, apparently found some kind of human remains, bones and teeth, very close to the hotel area.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait a second. That sounds like we`re burying the lead here. I mean, you`re saying that they found something? Say that again. I haven`t heard this.

MANSUR: No, no, that they identified on this detector -- the detector identified in the ocean some kind of bones and teeth at some point in a large area of ocean, in the area that we know as the hotel area.

Nothing has been found, but it has been identified by a detector. And that`s why they`re using these specialized cameras to go out there now and do a deep-water and a total search of the whole area.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`m not a scientist, so I wouldn`t know how you could possibly identify something so specifically without having seen it. But it`s hope.

And that`s what I want to ask Robi Ludwig very quickly. This family - - I can`t even imagine how depressing it has to be to go back down there. Is this hope for them?

LUDWIG: Well, actually, it might be more depressing to not go there, because at least if they`re going there, they can say, "Listen, I`m not going away until I find answers," and let everybody there know that they will not give up, and they`re not going to let somebody get away with murder when it comes to their daughter.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it sounds very high-tech, but let`s hope maybe there is something real there with this search and what they found. And we`re going to stay on top of it.

And when Nancy comes back, I`m sure she`s going to get the very latest for us on what those folks are doing with that high-tech equipment underwater searching for Natalee, trying to find the answer to that mystery.

I want to thank all my guests tonight and the folks watching at home for helping us track these very important cases. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, filling in for Nancy Grace.

Coming up, headlines from around the world, "LARRY KING" on CNN. And be sure to tune in tomorrow and Wednesday at 8:00 p.m. Eastern. Nancy will be live with special coverage from the San Francisco Bay Area on the murder of the wife of defense attorney Daniel Horowitz, for a firsthand look into that investigation.

Good night.
END

[RGVTx]

Okay...lol...I'll get off this fence post soon, I'm sure!

I'm not usually a fence sitter and I've never been called Pollyanna. Right now I probably resemble both. I don't know what's come over me. **sigh**

[RGVTx]

Watched Rita Cosby tonight and she reports Beth has changed her plans about returning to Aruba this week because of threats against her.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Morning LucyT,
I think an appropriate name for this scenario is, "A Midnight Meeting In The Garden Eden."
Oh yes, please do not to forget to "BYOM", bring your on machete.

I wonder how ole' POS Pvds would feel if his dearly beloved wife (psychotic anita) were to come up missing? Wonder if we would get some good intell in exchange for ms "Frumpy High Priestess Anita?"

Did anone find out if the Alpo Bro's were muslim? It would not surprise me one bit, along with their hate America dutch POS friends.

The truth of the matter, Natalee's murder happened on foreign shores. Therefore it is an internatioinal incident and we should have received full horsepower from our POTUS, Congress and the Senate into this tragic terroristic veiled deluge in justice.

What we have veiwed so far is a very poor excuse from the whitehouse in obtaining justice for one of our own.
I believe most God Fearing American(s) eyes have been opened. We see the priority is running behind the thankless muslims with a (roll) of (US) "free of charge golden toilet paper" and wiping their camel asses.

We cater to the very animals who will nuke us when the time is right. Of course when one has a superb underground fallout shelter in Mt Weather and other locations equipped with an abundance of amenities, ie, hospitals, lodging, food, water, clothing/many other nice things, "Don't Worry Be Happy."

The bottom line is, every time we let one of these Puke-A-Rama third world countries piss down our necks, are we to keep believing, "It is Raining?"

Natalee's spirit, the Holloway's and Americans cry out for justice. I wonder how long it will be before all our pleas are answered?

Will The Worm Turn,
NSNR-CSAOTL

[Canadian Outrage]

I watched that show last night and the statement made by Tim Miller that Paulus Van der Sloot "just went crazy on us" is very very telling. He won't allow a search on his property because I believe Natalee is buried there. As I've said before, what better place to dispose of the body when you know you have the support of the Law Enforcement to NEVER allow a search of where the body is. The whole thing is bull$hit. It isn't just a Judge, this is a conspiracy. It includes, PVDS, LE officers and Judges and the Prosecutors offices. I wish Equsearch would go in the middle of the night and search the place. IF they found Natalee's body there Aruba would be hard pressed to start making denials!!

[Canadian Outrage]

You see what I mean by these Dutch CRIMINALS??? Beth needs to go with a WHACK OF BODYGUARDS. All of them should be armed to the teeth.

[RGVTx]

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63329

NATALEE BLOOD SAMPLE 'FAKED'
Excerpt:

During initial interrogation sessions, the three suspects began to reveal details about her fate. "Both Deepak and Joran admitted they saw Natalee naked," said a source close to the case.

"They described her pubic hair — or lack thereof — and her underwear.

"Joran said all three of them had gone back to his home with Natalee and that he had sex with her there. Satish and Deepak told the cops Natalee was going in and out of consciousness, a sign she'd been drugged and not a willing participant in the sex act."

Despite their confessions, all three were later released from custody. Misgivings about the investigation increased after blood samples were found in the Kalpoes' car on June 10.

Art Wood, a retired Secret Service agent helping the Holloway family investigate the case, said: "That blood was sent to Holland and it came back as being cleaning fluid and chocolate. That's what the test results show. But an Aruban police officer who worked on the investigation told me there was definitely blood in that car. I think the wrong sample was deliberately sent to Holland.

"I believe it's a cover-up. So does Beth. Why? Joran's father Paulus is a judicial official and has friends in high places. It's that simple."

Beth said: "This is not the end. I become angrier every day."

[LucyT]

Watched Rita Cosby tonight and she reports Beth has changed her plans about returning to Aruba this week because of threats against her.

Who would threaten Beth? Wonder how she found out?

[LucyT]

Did you see this on Fox News.com:

Dutch Police Bust Hell's Angels Motorcycle Gang in Sweep
Monday, October 17, 2005

THE HAGUE, Netherlands — Police arrested 45 members of the Hell's Angels (search) motorcycle gang and seized an assortment of weapons during nationwide raids on the group's clubhouses, prosecutors said Monday.
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Those arrested face charges of murder, extortion, intimidation and weapons and drug trafficking, prosecutors said. Among the items seized were a grenade launcher, a flame thrower, hand grenades, 20 handguns, a machine pistol and more than $80,000 in cash.

Prosecutors said the Hell's Angels used violence, intimidation and extortion to prevent rival motorcycle clubs from opening clubhouses.

Some of the gang members were also accused of growing marijuana and trafficking in cocaine and Ecstasy.

[RGVTx]

I don't know any more than Rita reported and that was skimpy on details and no confirmation.

I do recall Beth saying she had been followed around Aruba by a man during her last trip to Aruba.

[RGVTx]

It would be true to form for the powers that be in Aruba to block Beth's use of armed bodyguards while refusing her any security from ALE.

[RGVTx]

Dave has returned to Aruba, met with prosecutor. He'll be on Greta's show tonight...within the hour.

[RGVTx]

A tidbit I heard in a promo is that Deepak wants to sue Dr Phil. These guys in Aruba are idiots. Please, Deepak, sue Dr Phil!!

[RGVTx]

I missed some of Greta, but did catch Vinda Sousa, Twitty's attorney, saying the prosecutor told her the Deepak interview tapes have not arrived from the FBI.

So this line about not getting the tapes yet is coming from the prosecutor and that is where Dompig gets his info.

Why would the FBI withhold these tapes from ALE?
These tapes were made before the second arrest of Deepak and the FBI has had them long enough to do whatever they needed to do to authenticate and duplicate them.

Tito is on saying Deepak's attorney claims the interview was coerced. Attorney didn't know about the interview until after the fact.

Poor little coerced Deepak.../sarcasm.

[justche]

I heard that too. I also thought Dave was going to be on, but he wasn't that I saw.

I think one of the FBI guys/gals needs to have a reporter with them, fly down there, and hand it over. It's all a bunch of smoke and mirrors.

[Canadian Outrage]

I watched Greta's show and it was blah and completely UNinformative. It left me cold sad to say.

[Canadian Outrage]

For one thing I'm sure that the FBI will duplicate the tape. The thing that concerns me is that Dompig has already stated that once he receives the tape that he will have to send it to Holland for authentication. More like destruction. Destruction is what they seem to be good at when it comes to evidence and statements.

I am positive that Natalee's blood was in Deepaks car and law enforcement knows it. I also come back to that bloody mattress that was found on the beach that "apparently" turned out to be dogs blood. Bull!! I don't believe a SINGLE WORD from these CRIMINALS. It's time for some mercenaries. Justice will NOT come from ALE - EVER!! That is unequivocally clear!!