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'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 10th
Read the transcript to the Monday show
Updated: 12:00 p.m. ET Oct. 11, 2005
Guests: Susan Casey, Ray Daudani, Raymond Brown, Dave Benelli, Beth Holloway Twitty
JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: Tonight‘s top headline: a kidnapping, a rape and a taped confession. Natalee Holloway‘s mom is heading back to Aruba. And she‘s armed with new evidence. The question, will the government in Aruba be forced to rearrest the Dutch boy and his two friends? Beth Holloway Twitty is here tonight with the latest developments.
SCARBOROUGH: Snip...First, what may be a dramatic turn in the case of Natalee Holloway.
It‘s a turn that actually has Natalie‘s family going back to Aruba. Tonight, details on new evidence against the main three suspects in the case of the disappearance of Natalee. Could this evidence lead to their rearrest?
With us now to talk about it is Natalee‘s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty.
Beth, thank you so much for being with us tonight.
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Hi, Joe.
SCARBOROUGH: I have just got to start by asking you, you were on “Dr. Phil” last week, a lot of Americans getting more enraged by what happened in Aruba and, more importantly, what did not happen in this investigation. Now people talking, including Dr. Phil, about a boycott of Aruba.
Do you think this pressure may actually lead to the Aruban authorities to get responsible and rearrest these guys, who they know had to be responsible for at least the rape and possible killing of your daughter?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, when you opened it up, you said it exactly right. It‘s kidnapping, rape.
And, you know, we all have seen this taped confession now. And I seen a little more movement in the last few days. And I think the increased pressure only causes some movement. It‘s just incredible how much pressure it does require. And they know the proper channel to—they know the proper channel to request this investigative material, contact the FBI. They have the number of the FBI that was given to them by Dave Holloway. And they have known how to proceed forward with getting this taped confession.
So, it was not—it was not supposed to be due to Dr. Phil. They knew the proper chain of command.
SCARBOROUGH: Well, let‘s talk about this new evidence. You obviously
when you talk about a taped confession, you are talking about Deepak Kalpoe, one of the main suspects in Natalee‘s disappearance, telling polygraph expert Jamie Skeeters shocking details of that fateful night on May the 30th.
And that, of course, is the tape that everybody heard on “Dr. Phil.”
Let me ask you about—again, about that tape. Do you consider his -
his remarks that all three of these men had sex with your daughter on the beach to be telling enough to force the rearrest of these guys?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, absolutely, Joe, especially when you pair those with Joran‘s statement.
He specifically states in there how Natalee is coming in and out of consciousness repeatedly. And, also, he admits to having sex with my daughter at his home on May 30 at 1:40 a.m. Now, I think, if you look at all the evidence, it is there. And, you know, it just—it‘s just amazing to us that they are not acting upon this.
SCARBOROUGH: So, you have—basically, what you have is these three suspects who are admitting they had—all three of them had sex with your daughter and, at the same time, saying that she was out of consciousness during parts of that night.
Obviously, if that had happened in America, these people would have been arrested. Have you contacted the authorities? Have you talked to them? Do you have reason to hope that they are going to actually be responsible and rearrest Joran and Deepak and his brother?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY:
You know, Joe, first, we have to see if they will request this investigative material be sent to them. The FBI has the taped evidence.
They need to request it and they need to utilize it. You know, that‘s the whole key here. Once this evidence is obtained, they have to utilize it and act upon it. It cannot become missing from her file or it cannot be lost or misplaced or—you know, it has to be utilized and acted upon.
SCARBOROUGH: Well, I—you know, none of us have been able to figure out how in the heck the Arubans run their investigations, how they run their court system. It seems—really, it seems like a banana republic.
I would never allow any of my kids now, after this terrible, tragic tale, to ever go down to Aruba. And I don‘t think any—any responsible adult out in America should until they clean this mess up. But I have got to ask you. I‘m just really curious, Beth. We kept hearing throughout the investigation, well, we have to keep things silent. We don‘t want to get any information out there before the trial comes up.
And, yet, they release the three guys and it‘s not until after they are released that we find out that all three of them had sex with your daughter on the beach while she was unconscious. Why didn‘t that come out during the judicial proceedings?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know, Joe, that is what really frightens us, as her family, is, we think this information was coming out.
We think that it was coming out into Joran‘s and Deepak‘s statements, Joran van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. We think that the information coming from them was very incriminating. And that‘s what frightens us, is, we have not had access to all of these statements.
Just think of the countless audiotapes and videotapes and statements that they have obtained from these suspects, let alone witnesses. We have never been allowed to see that and just can only imagine what these statements have said.
SCARBOROUGH: What else is in there?
So, what you are basically telling me is, if you send a loved one down to Aruba or a loved one goes down into Aruba, they get raped or they get killed or something else very bad happens to them, then the victim has no rights in Aruba and the family members of the victims have no right in Aruba to find out what really happened to them.
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I have not seen us or Natalee having her rights.
What I have seen, though, are the suspects‘ rights protected. And I think that this was shown to everyone, the world, especially
Judge Rick Smit, he released all three suspects. He was also the judge that presided over the ruling where Paulus van der Sloot was released.
And, also,
he was the one who was instrumental in denying the warrants to—for searching the van der Sloots‘ primary residence. You know, that‘s where we talk about these political connections and protecting a political figure. And how deep do they go?
SCARBOROUGH:
It‘s good old boy politics of the worst kind in the Caribbean, obviously.
Let me talk to you about your meeting with a good friend of mine,
Bob Riley. I understand you talked to the governor of Alabama. Do you think there may be a possibility down the road that the state of Alabama may take an official position on the boycotting of Aruba, if justice is not served and these three men are not thrown back in jail?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, Joe,
I will just say that I had a very productive meeting with Governor Riley. And
he has made some requests.
And we are going to sit back now and see if these requests are honored. And I think that he will proceed forward, depending on the results. So...
SCARBOROUGH: Let‘s hope so.
And final question for you. What‘s your next step? I know you are going back to Aruba. We had this strange statement from the prosecutor‘s office last week that sounded like it may have been encouraging you to file additional charges or maybe make a motion to bring Joran back to Aruba.
What is your next step? What are you going to do first when you get down there? And are you going to possibly file any legal proceedings to try to get this case started back up?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there are
several different reasons why we are going and there are going to be two different searches going on.
One is going to be on the island itself, a couple of different areas that Dave has had some concerns about. And then there is going to be another search going on in the water. There have been a couple of areas of concern there. So, thirdly, I think that
I‘m hoping to have a meeting with the prosecuting attorney and see if we can‘t iron out some details.
There was a concern of mine that my statement was falsified from June
1. So, that needs to be addressed.
There are just some housekeeping duties that they need to face.
SCARBOROUGH: I‘ll tell you what. Well, good luck trying to clean things up down there. It looks like a total mess.
And I‘ll tell you what, Beth. I think our government needs to step forward. I think the people of America need to step forward and demand justice in Aruba.
If Americans get fed up enough and they boycott this island, we could break the back of their tourism industry. And I‘m afraid that is what is going to have to happen if they don‘t start, again, acting in a responsible way and find out what the truth is about your daughter.
So, Beth, thanks for being with us, as always. And let us know what we can do.
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Thank you so much, Joe, OK?
SCARBOROUGH: All right. Talk to you soon.
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