Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16

Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

[maggief]

back at ya'

[maggief]

Looks like someone was up early this morning posting here and editing elsewhere.

LOL

[ncpatriot]

Yes, I'd be interested in knowing what the "V" sign means that all the boys use in the pictures.

[imaketypos]

back to you

[meanie monster]

I love Nancy too! She is ALL about the victim.

[VA40]

I'd like to know also. Someone on here knows right?

[ftriggerf]

bookmark

[truthluva]

Yeah it does. Wonder if it's the same person that posted here the other day:

(scroll to this post and time)

Comment by Shango — August 24, 2005 @ 11:22 am

http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/08/23/deepakcc/

Shango seems to waft all over the net.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

can anyone provide the verbatim wording of the prosecutors news release for yesterday, following the 3 arrests? I am specifically interested in the 2nd specification....

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

NSNR requested: "Give your rundown on this logic if you do not mind?"

I very seldom make lengthy posts, but my willingness to comply with NSNR's request requires that I do so this once. What follows is a compilation of recent posts on the potential for expanding this investigation in a direction that might possibly be fruitful.....draw your own opinion or conclusion......one must try to watch the magicians hands in addition to the distractions....
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re Kalpoes, their momma, and their status as Surinamese citizens.

rumors of criminal history in Suriname have been discussed from time to time......I happened to find this on a US State Dept report (Released on May 17, 2004) in the Suriname section:

Trafficking in persons for sexual exploitation remains a serious concern in Suriname. The United States strongly and consistently urged government action against trafficking in persons and funded a two-year program to assist Suriname in that fight. In response to these efforts, the Government established an anti-trafficking commission (composed of various ministries and a local NGO, and headed by the Ministry of Justice and Police) to study the problem. The Government also launched a public education campaign against trafficking in persons using public service announcements obtained from the UN Office on Drugs and Crime. The Public Prosecutor's Office and the police established a registry of all brothels and their employees by nationality and established a "special victims' unit" and a telephone hotline in May to handle all cases from the commercial sex industry. In cooperation with police, they also worked to expand existing services for victims of domestic violence to meet the needs of victims of trafficking.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/shrd/2003/31024.htm

something is off with the whole kalpoe connection.....their name is kalpoe.....mommas name is ramirez but she and the boyz appear to be indo/paki ethnically.....and I remember noticing when Greta interviewed her hubby his name was yet another name.....then we heard the boyz were "raised by granma in Suriname......Suriname has little tourist industry compared to aruba....and a big reputation for trafficing in humans......kalpoes stepdaddy is well off as a "businessman", but we know nothing of the "business".....momma kalpoe worked as a waitress in a restaurant.....but hubby is "well off".....waitresses natueally size up a lot of tourists......momma kalpoe strikes me as less than honest every time I've seen her.....she looks like a mamasan.....joran seems like he could be easily led while believing he is leading, esp when drunk......he seems totally immature, while the kalpoe boyz do not.....there might be a drift here, but I can't really tell

obviously, I am wondering if mama kalpoe is a procurement agent in aruba from Suriname......it would require someone like joran to carve and snatch.....he would need to be "led" as I described, and best without his full knowledge......an agents "sons" near jorans age that lead him into illicit episodes that serve his raging hormones is a good way to do it.....maybe joran is only a convenient chump participant?

(another poster) "However, what about the fact that many girls appear to have been "used" and then left by Joran"

what better way to serve his raging hormones and leave him ignorant of the true purpose........snatches of blondes for human trafficking are surely rare and very very lucrative.....teach him what his reward is and he will perform dry runs as training willingly......

one more thought about this

there is NO love lost between the locals of this part of the world and the Dutch.....never believe that there is.....human nature and the history of the region precludes it......

(another poster) So all the other girls that he used and didn't turn over for nefarious purposes were dry runs? I still like your idea but I don't think it fits Occam's razor. Probably, it's more likely that the Kalpoes were hanging with Joran because when he was "through" with his victims, he shared with the hangers-on.

I meant the former, but both could easily be true.....in fact, all along I've assumed the latter is true

"...the one going to police is 16"
Hopefully, she was 15 at the time.....since the age of consent in aruba is 16. I can hear jorans lawyers now....consensual and "legal".....but that won't fly if she was 15 at the time. The involvement of the 'child advocate' would imply that this is the case, and possibly so with the other two as well.

I'm encouraged to learn (from Geraldo, on dayside) that this freddie person originally lied and said he spent the might at the VDS home as an alibi for joran.....

"....we learned that someone was on the Internet at the Kalpoe residence from 2 a.m. to 3 a.m. "

maybe momma kalpoe......maybe the manager.....maybe the procurement agent.......this case isn't close to closed, it is close to being opened wider, IMO

The charge specifications (following Fridays arrests) I saw on TV.....the second one on the list looked a lot like a roundabout long translation of the dutch/aruban word for CONSPIRACY

it is being said that this freddie person, good friend to joran and kalpoes has been selling pictures of naked young girls........how interesting!

These pictures could also easily be part of the portfolio/catalog for clients in, say, SURINAME AND ELSEWHERE.

"Who is this Freddy Arends and what has he done?"

freddy is the photographer in the gang called "the pimps"

"pimps" (in the common meaning) sell women

"freddie and the pimps" gangrape young girls after drugging them

they also photograph these acts

the polis know of these pictures

Q--are the pics actually a catalog for clients to select a young girl from?

I think momma kalpoe was on the computer from 2 to 3 while the botz were out with joran and natalee.........I simply do not take that woman at her word.....she looks as baaaad as her "boyz"

short version:

momma could very easily be a procurement agent for cataloging/shipment of young women to points not on aruba......and that the pimps gang unknowingly serves that purpose, except for 1 or 2 of its members.

IMO, everything about the kalpoe connections in this case deserves the microscope......I saw video on the tube yesterday of momma K walking with a copper escorting her with a grip on her elbow......she SAYS the boyz were home....but we KNOW she was home.....she looks like a liar to me, frankly

[Dark Skies]

I don't think that's the real Shango. For example, he misspelled the word "bacchanalia"...the real Shango was very precise in his use of words and their spelling.

[truthluva]

Among many other misspellings. Someone is having themselves a fine ole time out there. It's a shame.

[truthluva]

Vn,

This is the press release that was posted at SM:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/

press release has come out from the prosecutors according to MSNBC that was sent to them by email.

They are in custody based up the same suspicions as before. There suspected of the primary criminal act of committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately, rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences, and even more alternately, raping somebody.

Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on. To arrest Satish Kalpoe and Deepak Kalpoe again, there had to be new facts and circumstances. That is the case.

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[texasbluebell]

...now if Trace Adkins was a reporter, I'd be a bit hot under the collar.... :)

Oh, yeah...;>)

[Dark Skies]

I don't know if you remember yesterday when I was commenting on the self-evident authority of the real Shango...well, this poster lacks what Shango has.

He also misspelled camouflage and amphitheater.

[maggief]

Came across this again ...

Re-post:

http://www.kingdomfoundation.org/pages/163601/

EXCERPT

The General Manager of Carlos & Charlie's is Alberto Levy. Is he related to the Rafael Levy of Miami, Florida, who has reportedly been deeply involved in the worldwide online porn business, including child porn and "snuff" films?

The internet contact at Carlos & Charlie's is Garrick Lacle who is also in charge of "Advertisement." Is he related to Contributing Editor Tito Lacle of Aruba Today newspaper which features sex ads?

Why does Aruba Today Editor-In-Chief Julia C. Renfro allow the porn in her publication, and why is Julia so quick to defend Aruba and apparently so ready to criticize the USA and Americans? I understand she went to Aruba from the USA more than a decade ago. Why, and at whose invitation? Was she running away from something or to a new lifestyle and/or lucrative career opportunity?

[theophilusscribe]

ROFL!

Looks like Joran got really beat down by his time in prison! hehehe

[Fritzy]

Thank you for this post... last night the electricity was out for three hours.. so I missed every conversation.. I appreciate your recap.. very helpful...

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

committing premeditated murder,

alternately together with other people murdering somebody
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I don't know if this equals conspiracy in aruba or not, or even if conspiracy is a crime there......but if at some point there was a plan to murder her because the case got too hot too fast, "premeditated" and "with other people" equals conspiracy

"no body, no case", right?