Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16

To: Canadian Outrage

From Dan: I myself was brought on to Fox News and asked to characterize an image of Joran involved in horseplay with another boy including a leather belt. They inquired as to whether or not it reminded my of Abu Ghraib. Can journalism be anymore ridiculous considering the image was likely taken by Joran's Mother and involved harmless in home horseplay with another boy?

Taken by Joran's Mother??, good grief. What kind of mother takes pictures of her son choking another boy with a belt. What a dysfunctional family that would be.

But, Dan characterized this as "harmless in home horseplay" and I guess it's A-OK with him.

2,341 posted on 10/02/2005 10:06:05 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)

To: Canadian Outrage

From Dan:

"Now, I'll explain the one significant lie of Joran Van der Sloot in context..." "The original lie as regards having dropped her off at the hotel came to be in the following, mostly innocent manner - innocent as regards any serious crime, anyway".

Dan conveniently forgets to mention that Urine's "innocent" lie involved falsely pinning the crime on 2 truly innocent security guards, who would probably be in prison now on Urine's lying say-so if Beth hadn't gone to Aruba.

This guy has some pretty twisted rationalizing going on.

2,342 posted on 10/02/2005 10:19:36 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)

To: Canadian Outrage

From Dan: "Also of note, Paulus did not attend casinos with his son regularly, as has been alleged, but basically attended once or possibly twice only to observe his son playing in the tournament. It was a fairly new activity for the boy and Paulus is said to have wanted to see what precisely was going on."

Too bad Paulus didn't see precisely what was going on here, or maybe by Dan's reasoning Paulus took the picture:

2,343 posted on 10/02/2005 10:34:03 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)

From Dan:

Yet, on and on it went, the media characterizing a young man of seventeen still not proved to have ever committed any crime, as the sinister perp they needed for their ratings driving coverage through out the course of an entire summer.

Just harmless in home horseplay with another boy, as per Dan.

And now for the clueless mother who must have doubts about what she has raised:

2,344 posted on 10/02/2005 11:58:59 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)

To: shebacal; penowa

Sick. Sick. Sick. Ugly dirty boy and the dog who birthed him.

2,345 posted on 10/03/2005 8:55:24 AM PDT by Froufrou

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Aruba Getagrip
A compilation of translated Aruban media articles regarding the Natalee Holloway investigation
Saturday, October 01, 2005
DIARIO Editorial: Where has Jorge Pesquera been?
Jossy Mansur - DIARIO Aruba
10/01/2005

ORANJESTAD(AAN) – First off, and with all due respect Mr. Pesquera, where were you the in the days that the American TV channels were in Aruba? Currently, you are in no position to demand equal time on American TV to counter the ‘attacks’ against Aruba. In particular now that Dr. Phils has called out for American to stop visiting Aruba. I don’t believe that the strategic group can do something, especially not when the spokesperson you have appointed, I am doubtful that this will help in any way.

The only way to prevent the supposed boycott was to speak before you have spoken, that is to say during the time that the American TV channels (Cable News Networks) were in Aruba. They were disposed to concede as much space you would have wanted, but apparently, you weren’t interested.

To you and government representatives. And please spare me your opinion of Ruben Trappenberg, because he is one of the ones who made things worse due to his not answering questions, by instead fighting interviewers, making ridiculous accusations and diverting attention away from the incompetence and indifference of his government (employer).

Now (...) that you see that it is serious that they want to start a boycott against Aruba, you enter in a panic and want to reach out to the unproductive media to try to diminish the effects of a possible boycott.

You want to counteract a forming boycott? First begin by looking at reality in the face. Start by analyzing the accusations and see if whether they have basis or not.

Do you by any chance question Joran’s release and the reasoning behind it that Joran has expressed his wishes to continue his studies as being correct? What kind of justice is this? And do you know, or are you up to date on all of what Joran has admitted to the Polis in his first declaration?

Then why do you say “baseless accusations”? The accusations have a solid basis, believe me, it’s the boycott that has no basis, because the Aruban people have given all their cooperation to find the young woman, treated the family well and with courtesy, and showed genuine interest to have the case solved.

Did the judge who came from Curacao probably plan take the decisions he took, spoiled the case? With all due respect for the position you have taken, have you seen what happened?

The case was resolved in phases the same judge planned: first release Paul v.d. Sloot (I don’t have anything against him, and don’t accuse him of anything either); then he came back to release the Kalpoe brothers (second phase); and the third phase that he executed now when came to set Joran free because Joran expressed his wish to continue his studies.

I have similarly not have I arrived to make any accusations of any sort against the Kalpoe brothers; what I have repeated is what can be found in the Polis reports where they started pointing the fingers one against the other!

It is in the three phases here that Americans see the corruption of our justice system, the same that Van der Straaten pointed out with courage and it is on this basis that they are proposing a boycott to see if in this way the truth can come out.

You have a way to prevent the boycott, but not by your own criteria. I, Tito, Arlene and others who went on television and showed our faces, because we formed the contacts with the American TV channels to achieve this.

In my case, although you don’t have to acknowledge it, I have gained the trust of the American people, because I spoke the truth to them. You should read the thousands of email that I have received and continue to receive!

It is the friendship I have formed with Natalee’s family, and not only the family’s influence, but also the channels via the family, who descended on Aruba, to have the freedom and the right to call our government and our justice system a corrupt one, confirmed for us in the same way by Jan v.d. Straaten, supported by Eric Zaandam and SPA!

It is us who have the courage to confront the truth and to speak without fear, to make a difference. Neither you nor any other group or spokesperson will arrive to where you can prevent a boycott, if you do not confront it speedily, that can do great harm to our economy.

In the end, I ask myself: where were you when the American TV channels were in Aruba? Where was the government? What have you done to prevent what is coming towards us? I consider you to be an honest person, for this reason I believe that the moment has come for you to demonstraste this by admitting that you and the government failed barbarically in the moment where you could do something.
It is now too late for your plan; now I will enter into action to see what influence I can have on Beth and, via her, on the channels that form part of the boycott. And it is I, again, who will have to beat at the doors of many friends that I have made who are producers of the most important Cable News Networks programs.

And I tell you here, not to commend myself and even less by arrogance, but to heed the call of the people, to help resolve the problem because they have faith in me that I can accomplish this.

(I do not know) whether I can or cannot achieve this in the comming weeks, because I don’t know how deep their rage against our justice system is, which they call corrupt, nor how firm they are in their decision to launch a boycott against Aruba!

[translated by Getagrip]
posted by Getagrip at 12:34 AM

2,346 posted on 10/03/2005 9:04:17 AM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)

2,347 posted on 10/03/2005 9:31:45 AM PDT by Abigail Adams

I disagree with Jossy on a couple of his statements:

1. Per Jossy, "It is in the three phases here that Americans see the corruption of our justice system, the same that Van der Straaten pointed out with courage and it is on this basis that they are proposing a boycott to see if in this way the truth can come out."

Jossy must be referring to: "The Chamber of Commerce (KvK) wants an independent investigation to a possible political pressure to the police and the DA. The Chamber of Commerce wants this investigation after the statements of former commissioner Jan van der Straten."

I intrepret Van der Straten's statements to mean investigate the Twitty/Holloway family, not his own conduct during the initial weeks of the so-called investigation of the 3 perps.

2. Per Jossy, "It is the friendship I have formed with Natalee’s family, and not only the family’s influence, but also the channels via the family, who descended on Aruba, to have the freedom and the right to call our government and our justice system a corrupt one, confirmed for us in the same way by Jan v.d. Straaten, supported by Eric Zaandam and SPA!"

From Aruba Getagrip: Per Ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam:
"According to Zaandam, Commissioner Dompig is under the instruction of Minister Rudy Croes, of MEP. He also states that 20 other policemen were ranked high on a political list. Five others (…) among them Commissioner Hassell, according to Zaandam."
"He also claims this is how Commissioner vd Straten was appointed to this case. However, according to Zaadam, this should not be work for a commissioner".
"Blunder
Zaadam continues talking about the blunder under which the 3 youngster were questioned, which should have been a simple case, but one that resulted in KPA’s biggest blunder, due to the deceiptfulness of JvdS, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, they remained free another 12 days."
"False Arrest
Zaandam talks about his book two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have been found and Cvp looked the other way to do a favour for Paul vd Sloot (ex boss of chief of Cabinet PG J. Zwinkels). To exculpate the son of Paul, the zg CvP and fiscal chief prosecutor Karen Jansen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John , called this a ‘tactical maneuver’ , and denied them their freedom for another 10 days."

Jossy is saying because of his friendship with Natalee's family, he and Van der Straten have the freedom and the right to call their government and their justice system a corrupt one.

I am sorry to see Jossy link himself with Van der Straaten, who ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam (and millions around the world) thinks blundered in the investigation.

2,348 posted on 10/03/2005 10:02:27 AM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/

Joran Van der Sloot; They went to his home and The Kalpoe brothers waited outside
October 3rd, 2005 by Scared Monkeys
Geraldo Rivera; Oct 2 with David Wright, reporter for National Enquirer

Snip...Geraldo: Did he make any admissions to your undercover?

DW: Well, he made an interesting admission that we haven’t heard before. He said after they left C&C, they didn’t go straight to the beach, they went to his home. The Kalpoe brothers waited outside and he and Natalee went inside for a while. Now, that raises an interesting question because his father was of course in the house. Now, did the father meet Natalee that night?

Is that one of the questions the police had to ask the father when they arrested him?
Posted in Crime, Natalee Holloway, Missing Persons, Aruba, Joran Van der Sloot

I think in the phone call to Alabama where a voice said "I don't recognize any of these people"? that the father was one of those people

I think it was the father's voice which said, "Are you calling home?" in the other phone call. The noise in the background of the phone calls was probably the caged monkey next door, whose cage is very close to the house.

2,349 posted on 10/03/2005 10:43:33 AM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)