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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16
Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

Posted on 08/26/2005 4:40:09 PM PDT by TexKat

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)


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To: Froufrou
"My aunt and cousin have homes on St. Croix. Not that I've been invited, but if I were I would never go. And I don't even know it that's considered The Carribean!"

LOL!!!!!!

that's like me......I have a friend of a cousin who used to be married to a guy who has a boat in Florida who goes to Aruba to fish in the summer on months that end in "y" on the 4th Tuesday of that month in leap year, and when I do get invited to go with him, I too,WILL NOT GO!

2,021 posted on 09/19/2005 12:39:05 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry

Bookmark for later.


2,022 posted on 09/19/2005 1:04:10 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: cherry

"who goes to Aruba to fish in the summer on months that end in "y" on the 4th Tuesday of that month in leap year, and when I do get invited to go with him, I too,WILL NOT GO!"


:ROTFLMAO: I only drink on days that end in "y" :p


2,023 posted on 09/19/2005 1:06:41 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

":ROTFLMAO: I only drink on days that end in "y" :p"

Hey, I'll drink to that! (but then again I'll drink to anything!) :)


2,024 posted on 09/19/2005 7:41:16 PM PDT by LegalEagle61
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To: justche

Oh Lord, thanks for that information Justche!!


2,025 posted on 09/19/2005 9:09:49 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us western Canuks should separate from Central Canada and join the USA. More Repubs!!)
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To: justche

Did you watch Dr. Phil last Thursday? Where can you get the transcript. Gosh I wish they would re-air THAT particular program. Just Damn that I missed it.


2,026 posted on 09/19/2005 9:13:24 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us western Canuks should separate from Central Canada and join the USA. More Repubs!!)
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To: Canadian Outrage

By the way, the part about the missing cage was on Geraldo on Sunday night I think it was.


2,027 posted on 09/19/2005 10:33:16 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: justche

You have mail. Bookmarking...


2,028 posted on 09/20/2005 5:36:58 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Malichi

I noticed that Tillburg is near Arnhem and Nijmegen, the towns best know for "Operation Market Garden" during WWII.

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=Operation+Market+Garden&page=1&offset=1&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D1f10276c8b9e8899%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3DOperation%2BMarket%2BGarden%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.marketgarden.com%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPToolbarNS%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marketgarden.com%2F

Perhaps another "Market Garden" are in order.


2,030 posted on 09/20/2005 10:54:02 AM PDT by whitedog57 (Holland)
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To: Froufrou; TexKat; truthluva; All

September 20, 2005
HarryTho Commentary To Last Night's Natalee Holloway Update

Following up on last night's post last night, somewhat later - Rita Crosby at MSNBC News hosted Beth Twitty and former FBI agent Harold Copus. Harold Copus makes the interesting connection amongst Michael Posner (Excelsior Casino manager), the Chicago mob and Paulus van der Sloot. Michael Posner actually met with Natalee Holloway during her time in Aruba, however, during the entire investigation, Posner was "unavailable" and not investigated. Interestingly, the Excelsior Casino is locate right next to the Holiday Inn.

In the Crosby interview, Beth Twitty remarks that she was threatened by Michael Posner, or people associated with Posner, when she first arrived in Aruba to investigate her daughter's disappearance.

Michael Posner is the person that allegedly provided Joran van der Sloot with an open gambling account at the Excelsior Casino. Joran and Natalee met at the Excelsior Casino, according to Natalee's girlfriends.

Why Posner was never investigated, we may never know without the right people asking the right questions. You'll recall that Posner and Natalee went missing the same week.

Continue reading "HarryTho Commentary To Last Night's Natalee Holloway Update"

Posted by: Georgia | Sep 20, 2005 2:12:52 PM

This is from RWV. Did anybody watch Rita Cosby? I did not see it.


2,031 posted on 09/20/2005 11:29:56 AM PDT by penowa
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To: whitedog57
It seems like there are enough foreigners in the Tillburg area that Americans could go into that area and not standout like a sore thumb.
2,032 posted on 09/20/2005 11:30:30 AM PDT by LongViewSC
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To: whitedog57
Only if we have the right radios and don't get dropped too far from our target. I went to see A Bridge Too Far with my grandfather and uncle back when it first came out.

Patton would have probably been driving down the streets of Berlin had Bradley not diverted fuel for Monty's grand plan.

TAW

2,033 posted on 09/20/2005 1:06:07 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: LongViewSC

LVSC, I'm ready to go whenever you guys are.

TAW


2,034 posted on 09/20/2005 1:07:47 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: Malichi
Dave Holloway; “I can’t stand behind the call for a boycott against Aruba.” I am a man of patience.

by Scared Monkeys

Yesterday in an interview with the Aruban newspaper Bon Dia. Dave Holloway stated that, ” I can’t stand behind the call for a boycott against Aruba.” In the many conversations that I have had with Dave Holloway he has pretty much expressed the same point of view.

Although he has shared the same frustration with the fact that the three suspects, Joran Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were released, Dave has always believed that it be better to take the sure and methodical route than one that will not properly prosecute those that are responsible for his daughter Natalee’s disappearance. Dave Holloway discussed this with Scared Monkeys prior to his trip to Aruba.

In his interview with Bon Dia, September 19 issue Dave Holloway also went on to state the following: “I want the Police Force of Aruba to know, that I support them, just like I support the entire community of Aruba. Because only with the help of Aruba, eventually we will solve this case”, according to Dave Holloway, who added that he received all assurances that the investigation will go on.

Dave Holloway does not think that there was a cover up in the investigation of Natalee Holloway. He is aware that probably at the beginning the police were ‘on the wrong track,’ meaning that they were following the wrong lead. But, then the correct road was taken. “They are after, truth. The case has been going on for three and half months, and still nothing has been found of Natalee. But there are cases that go on much more longer than this. I am a man of patience.”

One of the comments that has been lost by the many who have discussed this interview in the sense that they would rather see this as a division in the Twitty/Holloway camp over a supposed boycott that the following comment by Dave Holloway: He emphasizes that Dr. Phil does not reflect his thoughts at all. And he believes that every American who watched that show will eventually make their own conclusions. “I can’t talk for others. But I can’t see why 100,000 people should be affected by the acts of three, others who are not even from Aruba.”

Many have wondered why Arubans have not come out against this very fact. Aruba’s reputation and perception in the US is being based on the actions of individuals who are not even Aruban. One must really consider what Dave Holloway is doing. I truly hope that Aruba and Arubans appreciate and understand his compassion. It takes a big man in Dave Holloway not to wish and want retribution upon an island as a whole where his daughter has disappeared stating how could it be fair to actual Arubans when the individuals that everyone seems to be questioning as responsible for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are not even Aruban. Seems like it would be fair play and good form for Arubans to use the same thought process.

The rest of the interview from Bon Dia is translated as follows:

The investigation received a hit when the three principal suspects recovered their freedoms, based on the decision of the judge. This shows that this case in not easy, and harder work is needed.

Although Dave Holloway does not go in details on what Beth Twitty said about the declarations of Joran, where he admitted to have had relations with Natalee while the youngster was constantly losing consciousness. The only thing that the father said was “I watched the show. We all watched the show. I can’t go in that direction. We have a job to do, we have to keep looking forward. I have new information to give the Police Force, that we received via the email helpfindnatalee@comcast.net ”

Will not talk to press about new information

Dave Holloway gave his word to the Police Force that he would not divulge any information to the press, neither local nor American, about any new development in the investigation. The father of Natalee says that at the beginning of the case, he himself tried to avoid talking to the American media, especially because his goal was to look for his child. Eventually he could not avoid this any longer, but now, although he will keep on talking to the press he will not divulge anything about the investigation. Holloway says that his aware of all the comments, all the arguments, and the amount of people who came to Aruba can affect the quality of the investigation. But, Dave is grateful for all the help he and the rest of the family received. There are many people who came just to help, tourists who sacrificed their vacations to help, but definitely many Arubans who also helped well. But of course there were some who just wanted to have television attention to sell themselves or their product,” according to Dave.

For what deals with the investigation itself, the police are in charge. There are many possibilities, many directions in which this case can be continued, according to the father of Natalee. Until now the only determined fact is, that Natalee left Carlos & Charlie’s with the three suspects. From there, there can be an endless amount of theories.

“That is why, every person who has a tip, no matter how small, give it to the police or give it to us. It can help.”

“The Natalee Holloway Fund”Everybody in Aruba know knows that there is a “Natalee Holloway Fund”, where people can contribute with money to cover the costs of the families in the process of finding Natalee Holloway. Thus concerts were already organized, and there was even an auction where famous artists like Courtney Cox of ‘Friends’ contributed. And although Dave is the father of the missing young girl, he has no access to those funds. “I don’t know the reason why I can’t get to that money yet. But I was able to cover the expenses of my trips to Aruba with help of my Church.”

Dave Holloway said that his absence from his business has affected his income. He is self-employed, and so had to look for someone to help him, meaning that he has even more expenses.

On the matter of life insurance, Dave denies that he took out a life insurance of millions on his daughter. And he also discards the possibility that Natalee ran way from home, seeing all that Natalee herself was telling him and the plans that his daughter was telling him about that she wanted to accomplish before she started with the University.

Referring to the possibility of kidnapping by others, Dave Holloway does not discard this completely. He himself was not aware that the sons of Jar Twitty, meaning the brother of Natalee’s stepfather were also in Aruba. He himself does not know these youngsters.

But, one thing is for sure, Dave Holloway will keep on looking for his daughter, with the cooperation of the Aruban authorities, and if he has to wait for years, he will do this. “God only knows why He made us take this this road. He guides us. And although we cannot understand why right now, I am sure that there is always a good reason for everything.”

Those who want to give a tip, without risk, or want to give a contribution to the expenses of Dave Holloway, they can do this at the email helpfindnatalee@comcast.net

2,035 posted on 09/20/2005 1:40:42 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: TexKat; No Surrender No Retreat; Dark Skies; truthluva; justche; Froufrou; maggief; ...
Pinging the Crew, looks like Mike Posner's name has come up again. According to RWV Beth says she was threatened by Posner when she arrived on the island.

Also, Dave Holloway is receiving no help from the Natalee Holloway Fund.

TAW

2,036 posted on 09/20/2005 1:47:59 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: Malichi
Beth says she was threatened by Posner when she arrived on the island.

Well, there are threats and then there are THREATS. Any word on what kind of threat Posner is said to have made?

2,037 posted on 09/20/2005 1:54:14 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: Dark Skies

And under what circumstances did Posner "meet" with Natalee while she was on the island?

Is this the mysterious lunch she supposedly had with someone? The one where people thought maybe it was a ploy to get her interested in being a "model"? Just wondering.


2,038 posted on 09/20/2005 1:57:07 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams
Getting pretty weird again, Abie. I know we've backed off over here at FR but RWV and the Monkees are going strong.

I think it sucks that Dave is having to pay his own way. Did you catch his comment about people that were supposed to be there to help really being there for face time and to push their products. Hmmmmmm, you think he's referring to T.J. Ward?

TAW

2,039 posted on 09/20/2005 2:02:23 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: Abigail Adams

I think that was someone else. As I remember, some people suggested it was Lorenzo van Rijn.


2,040 posted on 09/20/2005 2:08:02 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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