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The Illegal Immigration Emergency: Would a Bill of Impeachment Wake-Up President Bush?
Human Events Online ^ | August 26, 2005 | Patrick Buchanan

Posted on 08/26/2005 9:35:38 AM PDT by hinterlander

On Aug. 12, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson declared a state of emergency "due to a chaotic situation involving illegal alien smuggling and illegal drug shipments" on his southern border. Three days later, Gov. Janet Napolitano followed suit in Arizona.

Reason: the crisis on the border. The ally-ally-in-free immigration policy of George Bush and Vicente Fox, beloved of corporate America, has created a hell on our southern border.

Those Southwestern states are being inundated by illegal aliens trashing ranches, killing cattle, committing crimes and eating up tax dollars. The traffic in narcotics and human beings from Mexico is a national scandal and a human rights disgrace.

What is true of New Mexico and Arizona is true of our nation, which is now home to an estimated 10 million to 15 million aliens who have broken our laws and broken into our country. It is a mark of the cowardice of our . . .

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To: in hoc signo vinces
W knows there's a problem...and he's looking for a rational solution, but that solution isnt going to be a militant one...and so he'll be criticized for doing "nothing" by some.

Do you know Bush called for an amnesty/guest worker program way back in 2001? Obviously he knows there's a problem it's just the solution he's seeking that has most people disagreeing with him on.

61 posted on 08/26/2005 10:11:14 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: doug from upland
>>>>I was once a fan of Buchanan. Now I think of his as an aging *ss.

PJB is an aging *ss on many issues.

But on the issue of illegal immigration PJB is absolutely right. And when PJB says the President has shown a "conscious refusal to uphold his oath and defend the states of the Union against "invasion."", he is absolutely right again.

62 posted on 08/26/2005 10:12:03 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure the borders;punish employers who hire illegals;halt all welfare handouts to illegals.)
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To: DTogo

Another good point. The blame goes far beyond the oval office.


63 posted on 08/26/2005 10:12:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

" Do you know Bush called for an amnesty/guest worker program way back in 2001? "

we call it the "Bush Shamnesty", as trademarked by another freeper


64 posted on 08/26/2005 10:13:06 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: You Dirty Rats

What's he's doing is stating the obvious.....which concerns the obvious political strategy of Hillary et al to seize this as a key issue to gain support. Bush et al are giving her and the Dems a golden opportunity to turn public opinion in their direction and if this continue we will definitely see history repeat itself.........a lame Bush presidency handing over the country to another 'Alinsky/Marxist' Clinton.


65 posted on 08/26/2005 10:14:17 AM PDT by american spirit
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To: hinterlander; the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Is failure to protect the sovereign borders of a nation in order to facilitate the policital, sociial and economic integration of the countries of the western hemisphere a high crime against the American people?

Is using federal governmental agencies to further the integtration of the western hemsiphere, politically, socially and economically, a high crime against the American people?

Is appointing a 'permanent minister' to a supranational parliament a high crime?

Is following the directives from a supranational organization, the Summit of the Americas, on 'migration' and remittances, without consent from the American people a high crime against them?

Alexander Hamilton explained impeachable offenses as “those offences which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.”

Is the president injuring society through his collusion with Mexico and South America to allow illegal immigration?

Is the president violating the public trust by using federal agencies to promote the integration of the United States with the countries in the Western Hemisphere through the NAFTA, CAFTA and the FTAA?


66 posted on 08/26/2005 10:15:42 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Do you know Bush called for an amnesty/guest worker program way back in 2001? Obviously he knows there's a problem it's just the solution he's seeking that has most people disagreeing with him on.

Please. His "solution" is to make the problem ten times worse.

67 posted on 08/26/2005 10:16:29 AM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: chris1
"I don't think we would have civil war. I do think the public would be calling for GWB to be impeached and/or arrested if some terrorists walked over the border and committed a terrorist attack."

It depends on the context of the attack. If it's a large-scale attack and it's painfully obvious that the attackers crossed the southern border, I can honestly see mobs of rage-filled people storming Washington. Impeachment and arrest both depend on the government; the very thing that just failed the people on a massive scale. To think that the people would trust the government to police its own under those circumstances is naive, in my opinion.
68 posted on 08/26/2005 10:17:14 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

A shamnesty is what it is, there's no other word to call it.


69 posted on 08/26/2005 10:17:24 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Tax-chick

Well, if one's in favor of open borders, importing more drugs, diseases, criminals and the dissolution of our national sovereignty then it's obviously a little more critical than a simple 'policy issue'.


70 posted on 08/26/2005 10:17:57 AM PDT by american spirit
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To: hinterlander

Okay, now Pat's just being a jackass. Isn't he for open borders anyway?


71 posted on 08/26/2005 10:18:24 AM PDT by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: All

Although we agree impeachment isn't the answer to a good Man In The WHITE HOUSE, who understands the world situation, we do not understand his non border approach. O'Reilly had someone on a week ago who had what seems to be a very logical answer to the border war....take away absolutely everything these illegals come for...jobs (get the employers), welfare, no free hospital use, no sending of US money back to wherever (Mexico, South America and on) no social security, no drivers licenses, no NOTHING! If it all drys up, America is no longer the big buddy of Mexico and anywhere else they come from for FREE!! Make these illegals understand they are NOT WELCOME! If they want to come, get in line, apply for citizenship, learn English,our laws, our culture and history. To come here, immigrants need to buy their way in by having a job resume, good health and money to support themselves for a year or two. If you become an American, you are no longer Mexican, or French, or Jamacian.You are American, and you think of yourself that way. Go anywhere in the world, and that is what you find in all OTHER countries. We are a free country, but giving away that freedom takes it from all of us. NO MORE!! President Bush is a great President, but he falls far short on this issue and illegal immigration may just define his Presidency, which would be tragic.


72 posted on 08/26/2005 10:18:56 AM PDT by cousair
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To: cripplecreek

I disagree. After 9/11, GWB chad widespread support to address all issues affecting national security. I remember after 9/11 thinking we would finally tackle this issue. Boy how naive was I??

GWB refuses to do his job because he supports low wages for big business and the entire CFR agenda.

If we are attacked again because of his failures in this regard, he deserves the consequences, whatever they may be since he had a golden opportunity to address it and did nothing but call our own citizens vigilantes and tell us family values don't stop at the border.


73 posted on 08/26/2005 10:19:31 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: american spirit

Correct. It's a "survival" issue. It's also not a single issue but multiple; it ranges from our economy to sovereignty to national security.


74 posted on 08/26/2005 10:19:50 AM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: hinterlander

Presumably if there were votes to impeach President Bush on immigration there would be far more votes to pass immigration reform that would make the impeachment unnecessary.


75 posted on 08/26/2005 10:19:52 AM PDT by Moral Hazard ("Now therefore kill every male among the little ones" - Numbers 31:17)
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To: Map Kernow
His "solution" is to make the problem ten times worse

Just about everyone you talk to knows that yet there they are in Congress giving it serious consideration.

76 posted on 08/26/2005 10:20:16 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: in hoc signo vinces
"militarizing the border is just not the answer, folks...it's the true tipping point in a slippery slope nightmare."

What nightmare would that be? Having to pay reasonable wages to get a deck built?

I'm about as individual liberties oriented as you'll find around here, and I have no problem with National Guard troops and Hellfire-equipped Predator drones being used to secure our borders from invasion. If it were only day laborers crossing the border, I'd look to civilian law enforcement to handle the problem. The fact that we're in the middle of a war tells me that securing the perimeter might not be a bad idea.
77 posted on 08/26/2005 10:20:53 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest


Bush is not the first POTUS to offer amnesty...essentially you have to start somewhere.

I understand that illegal immigration is a problem, but I also understand that I benefit from the labors of illegal immigrants...rightly or wrongly, many are already in service positions, which enable and better my life and lives of others around me...but an illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant, is an illegal immigrant, right? So, what do you do? Do you mine the border? Do you have Predator drones surveil the boder using deadly force against families trekking across the NM desert? It's a tough call.

Honestly, and perhaps ironically, my answer is probably the most militant of all...place the pressure on Vicente Fox..tell him, he either solves Mexico's corruption problem...and border issues...or we will for him, Teddy Roosevelt style...because in the end...the Root cause of Southern Illegal immigration, is sadly, Mexico herself.


78 posted on 08/26/2005 10:22:26 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Soylent Green is People!")
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"Do you know Bush called for an amnesty/guest worker program way back in 2001? Obviously he knows there's a problem"

The only 'problem' the President seems to see is that mean people keep calling these wonderful, gentle people "illegal immigrants", when really they're friendly guests over for a visit who are offering to lend a hand.

*spit*
79 posted on 08/26/2005 10:22:39 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: NJ_gent

You and I have the same idea on our taglines, we just used different variations.


80 posted on 08/26/2005 10:23:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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