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To: spectre; gingersnaps; CitizenM; All
It is like running into a brick wall isn't it?

Too bad, really. Sometimes ego's just can not budge, it is making them 'wrong' in some way, to their mind and that is forbidden. There is one "right" way to look at this situation and it is their view only. Everything else is attacked.

Truly, much of the information suggests several possibilities; and we were not there. The truth is known for sure by the people involved and everyone else is grasping for answers. Pray there is definitive results.

Joran may break down, or his dad may, or the involved two that were released. What is needed is a body, an eye witness, or a confession.

Beth, needs prayers for strength, courage, comfort of the presence of God's Spirit, and that her daughter be found now.

Thanks for your continued input to the threads.
2,159 posted on 07/09/2005 8:38:24 AM PDT by Countyline
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To: Countyline

I don't think it has anything to do with ego.

I think it has to do with the very strong conviction that the smears, speculations, innuendo, finger pointing at the Holloways is wrong. You may see a grey area here, but many of us don't.


2,161 posted on 07/09/2005 8:44:55 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Countyline
It is like running into a brick wall isn't it? Sometimes ego's just can not budge it is making them 'wrong' in some way, to their mind and that is forbidden




Yes it is like running into a brick wall. Now you have a bird's eye view of what Natalee's parents are going through - except their's is a reality - not cyberspace.



Sometimes ego's just can not budge

Ego's? that's what this is all about to you? YOURS?



There is one "right" way to look at this situation and it is their view only. Everything else is attacked


What other 'right' way do you have to share with the Holloway's in their daily search for truth? Tell the divers who are 'digging' for any truthfully answer for Natalee's parents, who are taking risks, who gave up their own vacation or salary to search for truth.

What other 'right' should they listen to. Dig up some dirt on Natalee instead - what her intentions/thoughts were that night - since you so proudly stated we DON"T KNOW WHAT they were?


We were not there - WE KNOW that. So give space to The Holloways - there are there now, they are experiencing a 'brick wall' and it is their daughter. You are either behind them 100% or you are not. Or is what I am saying ..(your own quote)... making them 'wrong' in some way, to their mind and that is forbidden


And Beth has had strength and courage to have come this far and I might add PATIENCE.....while facing the brick wall of lies and deceit.
2,180 posted on 07/09/2005 11:46:17 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Countyline
Thanks to you, Countyline, for your very reasonable posts.

There have been a lot of topics discussed on FR, besides the NH case, that seem to bring out the worst attitudes -- attitudes I used to think only leftists displayed (e.g., group-think, pettiness, irrationality, illogic, and myopic self-centeredness)!

But you've gotta love FR. There are other sites where posts are quickly deleted if they don't stick substantively to the topic, e.g. if they're an attack on a previous poster. But those sites end up weeding out some a lot of the free-wheeling fun we get here on FR, too.

But the petty, backbiting posts are an embarrassment. I've tried a few times to remind people that FR doesn't exist for the purpose of attacking other FReepers; and that individual posters (unless they're Jim Robinson) don't "own" the thread, have no right to "control" it, and shouldn't demand that everyone march in precise lock-step with them.

One more time I'd like to appeal to fellow FReepers: Please let's address the substance of the topic, not do nasty dissections of some other FReeper's supposed idiocy or ThoughtCrime (the definition of which is : an opinion differing from one's own).

And NOW, back to the supposed topic of this thread: Natalee Holloway...

2,211 posted on 07/11/2005 11:53:57 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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