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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: TexKat

I saw film of this on FOX. Looks like a rent-a-mob to me.
Probbly got five bucks each to stand out in the hot sun all day.

Who is behind this Hate America campaign down there?

Not very good for business.


881 posted on 07/05/2005 6:27:33 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: Dark Skies
Ironic, isn't it, that the guilty class fingered the innocent class without blinking an eye?

"Same as it ever was..."
882 posted on 07/05/2005 6:27:48 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Trust but Verify

That was someone else's post. I copy and pasted. See my earlier comments. Ya jumped too soon. LOL!


883 posted on 07/05/2005 6:28:02 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: All

Posted 5 July on SM. Sorry this person is shouting. Not certain if this is fact. Just posting what I read FYI to travellers:


USE OF BURUNDANGA, KNOWN AS "ZOMBIE DUST", CONTINUES TO INCREASE THROUGHOUT CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA. BURUNDANGA IS A CHEMICAL COCKTAIL OF SCOPOLAMINE (C17H21NO4), TRANQUILIZERS AND OTHER DRUGS PRIMARILY USED TO INCAPACITATE UNWARY VICTIMS. BURUNDANGA IS INDIGENOUS TO COLOMBIA, BUT ITS USE IS WIDESPREAD ACROSS CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA AND MAY BE IN USE IN OTHER FOREIGN LOCATIONS.

AS OF 13 FEB 00, COLOMBIA MEDICAL OFFICIALS REPORT AN AVERAGE OF 1000 CASES OF EXPOSURE TO "ZOMBIE DUST" PER MONTH. ACTUAL INCIDENTS MAY BE HIGHER THAN REPORTS BASED ON HOSPITAL INTAKE RECORDS.

ACTIVE CHEMICAL INGREDIENT IN "ZOMBIE DUST" IS A DERIVATIVE OF SCOPOLAMINE, FOUND IN A PLANT OF THE NIGHTSHADE SPECIES AND KNOWN LOCALLY AS "BORRACHERA" (DRUNKEN BINGE). THE PLANT NORMALLY GROWS IN THE HIGH ANDES, BUT CAN ALSO BE FOUND IN LOCAL PARKS IN BOGOTA.

VICTIMS OF "ZOMBIE DUST" ARE RENDERED HELPLESS IN A TRANCE-LIKE STATE, AWAKE AND COMMUNICATIVE, BUT POWERLESS TO RESIST ORDERS. THE DRUG MAY CAUSE EXTREME DISORIENTATION, UNCONSCIOUSNESS AND SERIOUS MEDICAL PROBLEMS. VICTIMS OFTEN DO NOT RECALL EVENTS.

"ZOMBIE DUST" IS SURREPTICIOUSLY ADMINISTERED IN DRINKS IN BARS, CIGARETTES AND GUM IN TAXIS, IN FOOD AND IN POWDER FORM DUSTED ONTO VICTIMS' SKIN. HOUSEWIVES AND BUSINESSMEN HAVE REPORTED FALLING VICTIM TO "ZOMBIE DUST" APPLIED BY CRIMINALS POSING AS DOOR-TO-DOOR SALESMEN INVITING UNWARY SUBJECTS TO SAMPLE PERFUMES AND OTHER PRODUCTS WHICH
SECRETLY CONTAIN THE DRUG MIXED IN GASEOUS FORM.

VICTIMS HAVE ALSO REPORTED ATTACKERS APPROACHING THEM IN RESTROOMS AND BLOWING THE POWDER ONTO THEIR FACES. WOMEN IN BARS AND PROSTITUTES HAVE APPLIED THE DRUG TO THE DRINKS OF VICTIMS AND INTRODUCED IT THROUGH OTHER
METHODS.


884 posted on 07/05/2005 6:28:25 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Krodg
Have you been reading the DUmp lately? That seems to be their answer to all problems.

Never been to the DUmp. Is that what they do, lock threads?

885 posted on 07/05/2005 6:30:41 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't stop with the other person.)
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; grizzfan; ...
Letter From Paul Reynolds

Natalee Holloway's Uncle, Paul Reynolds penned a letter to the Editor and sent it to Amigoe, Aruba AM and Aruba Today. He'll be on MSNBC's Scarborough & Co. tonight at 10 PM EST to discuss the letter and related topics.

Below is the unedited text of the letter.

Letter to the Editor

I have been reading Aruba AM, the English Aruban newspaper sent out over the internet. There appears to be a growing backlash against the Holloway family that I am very concerned about. I am sure the people in Aruba wish this investigation could be resolved as much as our family does.

The people in Aruba have been overwhelming supportive of our entire family since Natalie's disappearance. When I arrived on the Island two days after she was reported missing, I was always greeted with expressions of concern and hope for Natalie's return. There are hundreds if not thousands of stories of people coming together and helping each other during this incident. Bernadett from Economy Car Rental, the people at Holiday Inn, the Aruban Government Workers who left work to search the island are just a few of the examples. This is the good story of Aruba . The compassion and desire to help has meant more than you can imagine to our family.

Unfortunately, there are a very small number of individuals that are holding the people of Aruba , the Holloway family and what seems like the whole world hostage. These individuals are not a reflection of the Aruban people or the system of Justice in Aruba . These individuals know what happened and are refusing to accept responsibility for their actions. It also appears that certain individuals may be attempting to protect those individuals that know what happened. Helping them hide from their responsibility will destroy rather than preserve what is left of their lives, hopes and dreams.

The concerns that we have about the investigation are real. It began with the 10 day delay with taking the three original suspects into custody. My sister, Beth and her husband, Jug, arrived on the island the same day Natalie was reported missing. They were able to identify the three individuals she had last been seen with and report this to the police. The three suspects were briefly questioned and released. Their stories turned out to be false and their allegations led to the detainment of two innocent individuals. In a missing person case, every day is critical. Ten days would allow those individuals responsible time to hide evidence and coordinate their stories. What if the missing person was alive in those first few days? The failure to take those individuals into custody and seek evidence may have damaged this investigation beyond repair. Why was this done? Was it an attempt to cover up whatever happened and or protect those individuals involved?

Because the father of one of the suspects is a member of the Judicial system, there was immediate concern on behalf of the family that the investigation might not be fair and objective. The interest and presence of the FBI along with assurances from the US Government and the Prime Minister of Aruba reduced those concerns.

Actions since then have again increased concerns that the investigation is not being done in an objective manner. Why would you refuse assistance from the FBI in resolving a difficult case? Why would you hinder a private search team, composed of a group of volunteers whose director has experienced a similar loss of his own?

The release of two of the suspects is also a matter of concern. Although the latest (third) story of one of the suspects places him alone with Natalie on the beach, the other two have admitted to lying. Is this not obstruction of justice, interfering with an investigation or conspiracy to cover up a crime? Aren't these illegal activities whether or not you are involved in the actual crime itself? How can these individuals be allowed to go free and possibly leave the country? Why would they lie unless they had knowledge of a crime either before or after the fact? Why would the father of one of the suspects tell all three that without a body, there is no crime?

As you can see, our many questions and concerns are about the investigation, not the Island or the people of Aruba . They are as much a victim of these individuals as we are. Please join us in our request to the Prime Minister of Aruba and the Dutch Authorities to launch an independent investigation of this matter and allow all of us to learn the truth, return Natalie to her home and go forward with our lives.

Respectfully yours,

Paul Reynolds

Natalie Holloway's Uncle

886 posted on 07/05/2005 6:31:48 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Voir Dire
Exactly. When Danielle VanDam was missing, LE immediately took dogs and asked neighbors (for blocks around) if they could search their homes. Everyone complied.
887 posted on 07/05/2005 6:32:07 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: hummingbird

Indeed, HB...indeed.


888 posted on 07/05/2005 6:33:38 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Pepper777

Papa VDS looks the other way whenever J acts up, and doesn't deal with it, or deals with it by ignoring it, but Mama tries to keep him in line. Maybe grounding him, etc. I think J was telling the simple truth. He wouldn't have sneaked out if she'd been home. He wouldn't have gotten in all this trouble. But he's blaming her, nonetheless.

The J quote that he should have taken N to a responsible adult, if Papa wasn't involved except with telling them to keep quiet -- reads like more blame the victim, and I'm such a gentleman. The setup, according to J and the K bros. is that N was drunk and maybe self-drugged. J tried to help, being kind and virtuous, but on second thought, he now realizes he should have taken N to a responsible adult. She was more than he, just a young man, could handle. If this reading is accurate, J was really pouring it on.


889 posted on 07/05/2005 6:33:58 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Palladin
I saw film of this on FOX. Looks like a rent-a-mob to me. Probbly got five bucks each to stand out in the hot sun all day.

Thats what it looks like Palladin.

890 posted on 07/05/2005 6:34:48 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Nita Nupress

On Nancy Grace today, two witnesses were mentioned, fishermen who were at the beach where he and Natalee were supposed to be but said they never saw them. I have not heard of any other witnesses, though I hope there are more.


891 posted on 07/05/2005 6:35:24 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: monkeywrench

Well, well! Very interesting if that's so. I wonder if N's family knows about the white Suzuki being seen on the marriot beach that night.


892 posted on 07/05/2005 6:37:57 PM PDT by hershey
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To: TexKat

Ten to one odds those "protesters"
are being paid.


893 posted on 07/05/2005 6:38:14 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Rippersnapper

I just noticed the pattern. Blue, blue, blue. Maybe he thinks it makes him look innocent? :)

He's despicable and callous. I hope his actions follow him the rest of his life.


894 posted on 07/05/2005 6:40:41 PM PDT by Landry Fan (God Bless our Military)
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To: Rippersnapper


They lied from the get go by providing backing to JVDS's claim that they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn. Now get real.


895 posted on 07/05/2005 6:42:13 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: the Deejay

http://www.telearuba.aw/


896 posted on 07/05/2005 6:45:59 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: hershey
Have you been reading what passes for police work right here in the US.

Three little boys dead in the family car in the driveway. No one looked in the trunk.

A little boy drowned in a hotel pool. He said he was going to the pool and ran ahead. He was found at the bottom of the pool many hours later. No one dived into the pool to look.

Chandra Levy is still dead and no one has been indicted.

Shasta Groene was right there in her home town and no one noticed until that 2a.m. trip to Denny's.

This is about ineptitude not malice.

897 posted on 07/05/2005 6:50:12 PM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: the Deejay

Plus, spending ages in jail
w/out having an attorney to
visit him. No telling how
long they'd keep Geraldo.




Yeah but he could say that he was trying to 'scoop' the other journalists, by getting a story from 'the inside'. LOL


898 posted on 07/05/2005 6:50:56 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't stop with the other person.)
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Beth Holloway Twitty, mother of missing teen Natalee Holloway, and husband Jug Twitty, give a statement to the press in Palm Beach, Aruba, Tuesday, July 5, 2005. (AP Photo/Leslie Mazoch)

Mother of Missing Teen Says Freed Men Are Guilty AP VIDEO

899 posted on 07/05/2005 6:51:11 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: GarySpFc

Bump!!


900 posted on 07/05/2005 6:53:39 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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