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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: onyx

The only report about the stress machines I heard were early. The man analyzed spoken interviews. He said he thought PVDS was telling the truth, (had no knowledge about what had happened to N), but was very stressed. I don't know if he analyzed J and the K bros. text messages or emails. That would be interesting. We already know they're liars.


721 posted on 07/05/2005 3:52:30 PM PDT by hershey
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To: the Deejay

If Geraldo was at the demonstration, he'll have it on his show, whenever that is.


722 posted on 07/05/2005 3:53:36 PM PDT by hershey
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To: spectre
You simply WANT to make a case that she may be alive. I can do that as well. But it's so far fetched it's laughable.

I think that without a body, she could be alive. She could either have been taken from Sloot by others. Or Sloot could have taken her someplace like a rave party and left her there. In either case, she would have still been alive after he left her. She may have been handed over to sex slave traders. Without forensic evidence pointing to her death, I'm saying it is POSSIBLE that she COULD be alive.

Because Joran and the 2 other boys had Natalee in their care, it's up to them to prove she is alive.

Wrong. People are innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around. You should know better than that!

723 posted on 07/05/2005 3:55:39 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't stop with the other person.)
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Placemark


724 posted on 07/05/2005 3:55:42 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: hershey

I just tried the Holiday Inn -- they're not full at all. In fact, a room can be had for the dates I punched in July 14-21. Of course, June - September are the off season.

http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/hi/1/en/availsearch/availability


725 posted on 07/05/2005 3:55:52 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: truthluva
I heard that one of the things the F-16's might spot would be a container. If they put her body in some type of container and dropped it in the ocean that would explain why nothing washed up on the beach. They will be collecting images of the ocean floor for something along those lines. Makes sense.

I thought one of the divers from Texas made the comment about how they found something interesting and that it dealt with containers. But that was the last I heard. This was last week.

726 posted on 07/05/2005 3:57:45 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't stop with the other person.)
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To: hershey
Do we know they have no forensic evidence? I would guess they have some, but without a body or an eyewitness, they have no idea what it means. Having sand in the trunk is meaningless on an island like Aruba.

The only forensic evidence that would stand on its own would be hair or blood matching Natalee's DNA, I would think.

727 posted on 07/05/2005 3:57:53 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: hershey
I don't think Geraldo was in the middle of a demonstration per se, it was a fracas/shouting match between the Aruban & US media.

Things must have been hotting up, b/c Geraldo just walked away.

An Aruban said to Geraldo, "So, you're just going to walk away?"

Geraldo said, "I'm going to walk away."

This all happened yesterday @ the court house.

We were discussing it on the thread.

FOX WOULD NOT SHOW IT TO US!!! LOL!

728 posted on 07/05/2005 3:58:10 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Rippersnapper

If they're shipping containers, I guess a Texas search team might find that interesting, but seeing as this is an area where there is a lot of containerized shipping, I wouldn't read too much into that. A very large cooler, or a footlocker might be of more interest.


729 posted on 07/05/2005 3:59:46 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: the Deejay
The north & west sides (nearest), anything like that would come straight back to shore in minutes.

I thought the boat captain said that anything left on the EAST side would come back to shore. That they would have to leave whatever off the west side but at least a mile out?

730 posted on 07/05/2005 4:01:16 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't stop with the other person.)
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To: Rippersnapper

My take on the blue shirts is that someone told him he looks good in blue - and being the obviously ladies man he appears to be he figures it helps.. laugh...

I told my husband he looks good in yellow - and he tended to wear it for YEARS!


731 posted on 07/05/2005 4:02:12 PM PDT by pamlet
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To: Trust but Verify
I don't think anything was "slipped in her drink," or that the Kalpoe brothers or Joran did her in. Joran is the last person we know of to see her that night, but there might have been someone else that he does not want to disclose.

I keep thinking of that mysterious cell phone call about a sailboat in the early morning hours. I'll place my bets there for now.

732 posted on 07/05/2005 4:02:42 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Rippersnapper
Whatever.....going by the timeline.. they wouldn't have time to get a body in a container and out to sea.

They'd be lucky to get a boat and get far, far, far out to sea where there are sharks and Aruba dumps their garbage.

733 posted on 07/05/2005 4:04:03 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: spectre
So if a friend of yours asked YOU to lie to the cops about where you dropped your date off, wouldn't you ask him "why"? Humm?

I probably would, BUT IF THAT FRIEND TELLS ME A LIE ABOUT WHY, I WOULDN'T KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

734 posted on 07/05/2005 4:04:05 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't stop with the other person.)
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To: hershey
Some reporters have said cancellations are flooding in, that the tourist trade is hemmoraghing.

Link please.

735 posted on 07/05/2005 4:04:21 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: the Deejay

And get back to the casinos.


736 posted on 07/05/2005 4:05:01 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: TexKat
reporters have said.
737 posted on 07/05/2005 4:06:04 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: the Deejay
reporters have said.

Yes and I have heard reporters say just the opposite. However I have not seen this in black and white. Is there a transcript somewhere?

738 posted on 07/05/2005 4:08:33 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Lizarde
Greta should at least follow up on that guy on the plane, since she did bring it up. How dare she consider that people might be innocent until proven guilty. What the heck kind of lawyer is that! /sarcasm
739 posted on 07/05/2005 4:08:48 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't stop with the other person.)
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To: the Deejay

Here's a story to curl your hair. After the (big), fireworks last night in a small town near mine, kids and families were leaving the park, going back to their cars, and some turned down a nearby road to see two white 21 year-old twin bros. beating up a young (18 year-old), black boy. The white men had take karate classes with a friend of mine, who said she'd seen them at weekly classes.)

So they were karate chopping and kicking this young black man, who had just graduated as valedictorian of his class and was going to college. The white men were well known druggies. Dealing and using. Maybe witnesses to this were kids, no parents, but surely teenagers saw it and did nothing. I don't know. Kids would be afraid to stop violence for fear of being the next target. Whatever, nobody stopped it, and no one called 911 on a cell phone until it was too late and they'd kicked this young black man to death. the final blow was a kick to the head.

The rumor is he was dating a white girl and they didn't like it. This is in Ma., by the way. Finally, someone did call the cops and described or named the killers, so in no time at all undercover cops were parked out in front of the parents' home. Yes, these two upstanding citizens, though 21, were living with Mom and Dad. They finally came home in the wee hours and were promptly arrested....lots of cops. They're being arraigned tomorrow, bail set at a quarter mill apiece. So much is wrong with this story, from people watching and not doing anything to stop it, not even yelling that they were calling the cops, (even if you didn't have a cell phone, you could pretend to have one), or actually doing it, to it's ever happening at all. You want to scream. Stupid viciousness, probably fueled by drugs. Now the pride and joy of one family is dead for no reason.


740 posted on 07/05/2005 4:09:40 PM PDT by hershey
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