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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: TexKat; All

If she is in the water, and a boat was involved, I found this comment, made by an Aruban on SM, on June 28th. I posted it on FR back then:

"So Jethro owned the Octopus-Aruba?? And he and the whole company (including boat) just up and vanished?--How long after Natalee's disappearance?"

I researched a little further, and found this site, also posting a few of these comments on FR. Read all the comments, and see what the last one has to say. It was true, on the 27th or 28th, that the octopus website was gone. I still can't pull it up. I could be wrong. Just wondering........
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=6&i=8363&t=8363


1,201 posted on 07/06/2005 1:31:47 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: TexKat; All

OUCH!

If I would have delved one more time, I would have found a comment on another site that Jethro and the guys are up and running. That was posted on June 30th. Sorry!! Just found it.


1,202 posted on 07/06/2005 1:36:57 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: GarySpFc
If I recall correctly when PvdS was running to his car attempting to avoid the reporters he had a light blue car like this one.

PvdS probably had a rental car at that time or borrowed someones since they had towed his vehicles away.

1,203 posted on 07/06/2005 1:38:24 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Thanks so much for the ping!

I think the most interesting part of it all is the part with Ralston and the sonar. I hope they're right about finding her.


1,204 posted on 07/06/2005 1:38:26 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: toldyou

Jethro?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/377891171/378755297WHNepU


1,205 posted on 07/06/2005 1:39:24 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: Dark Skies

bttt


1,206 posted on 07/06/2005 1:40:47 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: toldyou

Scared Monkeys is a very poor source. Paid Aruban spinmeisters have invaded that site. I would take everything posted there with a bucket of salt.


1,207 posted on 07/06/2005 1:43:08 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: Palladin

And so is Aruba.com

Wild speculation; no respectable sources; rampant rumor; lots of trolls.


1,208 posted on 07/06/2005 1:44:30 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: GarySpFc

I wouldn't be surprised if the elder VDS is re-arrested. I personally believe he DID have something to do with the disposal process and THAT is the reason he was virtually "sweating bullets" when being interviewed by Greta and Beth. I watched that interview and HIS behaviour was excrutiatingly abnormal. I have never seen a man so uncomfortable in my life.


1,209 posted on 07/06/2005 1:45:34 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: toldyou

Somewhere on SM I read last week that Jethro is still in operation. Do a google search on it.


1,210 posted on 07/06/2005 1:45:41 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Palladin

I'll take your advice! Thanks!


1,211 posted on 07/06/2005 1:52:48 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: TexKat

JvdS appeals extended jailing, FNC.


1,212 posted on 07/06/2005 2:11:36 PM PDT by maggief
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To: toldyou
One of the Kalpoe brothers in considering legal action against Natalee's mother for her comments the other day.
1,213 posted on 07/06/2005 2:12:19 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: TexKat

http://www.carnivorousconservative.typepad.com/

Some Details of Kalpoe Interrogation

Allegedly there were differences between the interrogations for the two Kalpoe brothers. The prosecutor still claims their stories changed, their attorney says, "Not so." Now there's a big surprise. emphasis mine.

“The case against them will continue as long as there is still a criminal investigation going. After the investigation is closed, the district attorney will determine what is going to happen then. They can for example be summoned, or their case can be dismissed”, said the spokesperson of the OM Mariaine Croes. The OM has three days to appeal. According to the OM, there are serious complaints against the three boys. These complaints are based on the fact that Natalee Holloway was last seen with these three boys. They also have been changing their statements and none of these match other investigation information or witnesses.

There are also telephone conversations, sms- and chat traffic that points at the three boys. Lawyer Rudy Oomen picked up the Kalpoe brothers from the KIA prison yesterday afternoon. There were a lot of media persons with cameras at their house waiting for them. Oomen is not at all surprised at the release of the brothers. “All the material was more relieving than incriminating for his client. The time in prison was very hard for Deepak. The interrogation techniques used approached more the in the Netherlands banned ‘interrogation method of Zaandam’. He was put in a pitch dark room for a long time with the air-conditioning on extra high. He has been put in isolation with no food.” Oomen had complaint numerous times about this interrogation method. But the boy remained consistent in his statements and had fully collaborated with the investigation. Also the younger brother Kalpoe was interrogated a lot and his lawyer Elgin Zeppenfeldt does not share the complaints about the interrogation methods of justice. “According to me, his interrogations went normal. Based on the evidence they had on him, it was very difficult to keep him detained.”


1,214 posted on 07/06/2005 2:14:41 PM PDT by maggief
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RWV post:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/some_details_of.html#comments

John Merryweather, leader of anti-Holloway protests. His position w/Aruban gov't as well as being on the Board of several resorts. It looks bad, is he doing this in his oficial capacity? His job description:

The ministers plenipotentiary are authorised representatives of their national governments. They receive instructions from and are accountable to their governments. These ministers therefore do not have to resign in the event of a Dutch cabinet crisis.


1,215 posted on 07/06/2005 2:16:14 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Rippersnapper
One of the Kalpoe brothers in considering legal action against Natalee's mother for her comments the other day.

And the two security guards falsly imprisoned by the brothers statements are not considering legal action? Obstructing justice is not a crime? Lying to Police is not a crime? Let him try,that would be the straw that broke the camel's back...remember no body no crime...I did notice the bros cancelled plans to leave for Suriname after Beth's speech...they also looked awful guilty or shameful, unlike Joran...

1,216 posted on 07/06/2005 2:22:56 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: hershey
The wife of one was hysterical and said she was with her husband all night, that he was innocent(screaming and ripping at her clothes in her grief), and that this is always what happens. They blame the poor and powerless for whatever goes wrong, but the elite get away with murder. Happily, Natalee's family raised a stink about this, and finally the two innocent men were set free. So that's one positive thing the family has done. It would be nice if Arubans remember that.

Here's a "bears repeating" BUMP (especially the highlighted part).
1,217 posted on 07/06/2005 2:24:07 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: auboy

Placemark.


1,218 posted on 07/06/2005 2:24:42 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: Rippersnapper

"One of the Kalpoe brothers in considering legal action against Natalee's mother for her comments the other day."


Do you believe they'll go through with it? I'm no lawyer, but I think we all agree that those boys know something, and BH is right in her accusations.


1,219 posted on 07/06/2005 2:25:47 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: elli1; GarySpFc; TexKat; Palladin
Hey guys... Here is why I think the fishermen may have witnessed PvdS's "white" Suzuki on the beach. Below is an example of a Suzuki Samurai on inclined on a beach and viewed from behind. Any reasonable viewer could conclude it is light gray, but the vehicle body is actually black and only the soft top is light gray. This photo was taken in brood daylight. Imagine the same seen, at early dawn in low light, as Palladin suggested. PvdS's red Suzuki with its white top could easily appear "white" to the fishermen.

Now if you look closely at the link below... you can see another Suzuki in the background. It took me a while to spot it, but it is there!

Suzuki in Background

1,220 posted on 07/06/2005 2:26:03 PM PDT by Big Jake
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