Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
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I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
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To: toldyou

I have also seen luxery cruisers parked offshore. I have never been on one, but the money needed to own one of those things would put you in that small super-financial elite category the likes of which very few would ever see or know about. So I think that the kidnapping theory could also fly.

I had given up on the kidnapping angle until I read this post. Then I remembered the boy I knew from Aruba in the sixties. He was wild, and time after time talked about the fun parties they had in Aruba. I wouldn't put anything past him.

521 posted on 06/30/2005 10:40:51 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)

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To: toldyou

I am glad to read your insight as to what may have happened to Natalee. I think most here are now seeing just how deep this goes, and how complicated it is, and how hard it will be to solve. I wish Mark Fuhrman, or someone as qualified as he is, will go to Aruba and start all over.

My fear is that what you described really happened to Natalee, and PVDS got involved in the cover up...and disposed of the body. Maybe he had a contact that had a yacht docked nearby. If so, she is gone and the family will never recover her. The 3 boys seem pretty confident that no body will be found. Thus, they won't talk. I think Dad assured them of that. They are scared of someone. Maybe the dad is too. I don't know. But I don't think she will be found. EquaSearch is even losing hope.

This family needs a Mark Fuhrman.

522 posted on 06/30/2005 10:46:36 PM PDT by HoHoeHeaux

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To: Nita Nupress; brigette; cajungirl; TexKat

FWIW, I read some of Shango's postings the other night. Check here, he/she starting posting on this blog around 1:49am, June 30, 2005:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1202#comments

If I understand if correctly, in this scenerio Dirty Hands is the soon to retire police chief/best friend/godfather.

523 posted on 07/01/2005 4:35:37 AM PDT by maggief

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To: maggiefluffs

Shango's postings are really something. The following is interesting from your link:

""bleachedBLACK Says:

June 29th, 2005 at 10:29 pm
I am compelled to ask if anyone sees this scenario as clearly as I feel I do……Natalee is still alive,and in Aruba–shortly to be transported off. She may infact have been moved from the original place where she was kept. I do see her at the “rave” of lorenzo–initially “foggily” brought there by jvs. The lorenzo is the controlling one. lorenzo is the “unsound” one .( The locals, the authorities all hesitate to confront him. He has pirate/robinhood/marquee power….)The dance soon became much worse,”…something very bad” lorenzo likes to film….jvs-arrogant little boy/brother leaves her there. The polis have searched there (according to simian),he is right….they found evidence–she was not there then. they questioned lorenzo. Tight alibi(?) PROBABLE CAUSE!!! He should be detained and questioned longer, harder,he may crack…..”unsound”.The COWBOYS need to search the lair…….soon,today….. ""
End of Quote.

I would think Beth and Jug are aware of the above type of possibilities. It might explain Jug's comment on Greta's show last night, when he said the public would feel their pain even more, if the public KNEW WHAT THEY KNOW.

Maybe Natalee is still alive and being held somewhere on Aruba. Remember the rumor that she was being held in a basement a couple of weeks ago. I think it was said to be Lorenzo's basement, the possible 1/2 brother of JVDS. If true, no wonder he's not talking. Also, there was the other rumor by the editor of Aruba paper, about the 3 men and 2 women, who were trying to get Natalee off the island. Who were those people? Could it be, they are the ones, who the Twitty's are referring to when they say, there might be more arrests?

I wish we knew more about the Cell phone message that Croes told Greta about. Fox/Greta did lots of editing during that interview. I wonder what was left out of the interview???

524 posted on 07/01/2005 5:02:42 AM PDT by Pepper777

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To: maggiefluffs

"" If I understand if correctly, in this scenerio Dirty Hands is the soon to retire police chief/best friend/godfather.""

Police Chief/Best Friend/Godfather/I don't want to arrest my best friend's son - might have been referring to Lorenzo too?? Most thought the big connection was to JVDS, when in reality, the bigger connection might be with Lorenzo. What a hedious mess. :( :(

525 posted on 07/01/2005 5:19:23 AM PDT by Pepper777

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To: tapatio

manos sucias-Spanish

My vote is for one of the Mansur clan as "Dirty Hands".

That said, I don't put any stock in this "Shango" business.

526 posted on 07/01/2005 5:29:08 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG

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To: Pepper777

It's just a rumor that Lorezo is the son of PvdS, but most of the "facts" in this case are just rumors.

Here's an interesting post on SM blog:

# subdude Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 10:23 pm

There is a new topic “Media Contact” in the Theories forum posted by resjudikitty.

Last night Shango suggested that the key to this case is shining the light on Polis Chief Vad der Stratten’s reason for resignation as of July 15, 2005. He wanted media attention focused on this line of inquiry.

Today, June 30, 2005, I called and spoke to reps of Fox News, MSNBC and NBC. Fox was the most cooperative.

I gave each of them the web address for this site and explained in general terms what I though was going on, especially as it relates to Shango’s postings.

I specifically told them to peruse the sight for Shango’s postings and suggested that some questions start being asked.

When I get to the office tomorrow afternoon, I will post the telephone numbers for these news orgs so that anyone wishing to draw more attention here can do so.

Please contact the media to start getting some attention to this site and get the tough questions asked.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1206#comments

527 posted on 07/01/2005 5:35:24 AM PDT by maggief

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To: truthluva

Perhaps the prosecutor's "vacation" is a jaunt to visit lawyers who can help her with the case. And who knows what kind of pressure she's under, taking on these folks.

528 posted on 07/01/2005 5:36:31 AM PDT by sarasota

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To: brigette

Tomatoes already? How soon did you plant them?

529 posted on 07/01/2005 5:38:19 AM PDT by sarasota

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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Just because I have never been to an El Salvador street gang meeting, does not mean they don't exist.

I believe we should trust the locals when it comes to "rumors" of their underworld. I am sure there are areas unknown to regular "tourists" but well known to the Irregulars (sexual deviants). We know how liberal the Dutch have become.

Some FReepers have intuitively realized there is "some kind of weird cover-up going on"

sp

530 posted on 07/01/2005 5:42:17 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Newbie, PhD. Tenure allows you to stay put.)

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To: PBRSTREETGANG

I don't put a lot of stock in the Shango posts either, though I wouldn't be shocked if what he posts is true.

FWIW, somewhere on the SM blog he confirms that Dirty Hands is the Police Chief.)

Regardless, the posts raise some interesting questions such as why is the PC retiring and when was it planned? Obviously there's some sort of coverup and corruption within the Aruba judicial and LE systems. It makes perfect sense to investigate the PC, IMHO.

531 posted on 07/01/2005 5:48:12 AM PDT by maggief

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To: sodpoodle

Just because I have never been to an El Salvador street gang meeting, does not mean they don't exist.

Interesting, since I always suspected you of being involved with the street gangs of El Salvador.

I still don't put any stock in the cryptic messages of "Shango". You are certainly free to do so, however.

532 posted on 07/01/2005 5:49:22 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG

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To: Howlin; Dark Skies

In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.

Does this sound like what we were discussing on the prior thread? Charles is a local...

533 posted on 07/01/2005 5:52:25 AM PDT by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)

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To: maggiefluffs

I'm not saying it's not worth looking into, just saying that ultimately I don't think it will be of much value.

I do believe there is a cover-up and some nefarious goings on behind the scenes. How many are involved is the question?

534 posted on 07/01/2005 5:52:52 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG

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To: NCjim

In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.

Thx Jim...That's vy interesting. I hope the truth comes out.

535 posted on 07/01/2005 5:58:49 AM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Interesting, since I always suspected you of being involved with the street gangs of El Salvador.

D*mn subliminals;)

LOL

536 posted on 07/01/2005 5:58:58 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Newbie, PhD. Tenure allows you to stay put.)

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To: PBRSTREETGANG

I don't put stock in Shango other than he may be talking or alluding to sexual clubs, etc on the island. The real secret here is not that some Dutch and locals hang around having adolescent sexual orgies,,the real secret is the transnational crime, the money laundering, the drug and gun running. That is a whole different level of stuff to cover up. I mean, who cares about covering up a bunch of weirdo sexual stuff. That is not the "big secret" on this island.

I think Shango is a paranoid lunatic who has kernals of real stuff that happenes but that he enbroiders into a drama.

537 posted on 07/01/2005 6:12:27 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)

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To: cajungirl

I also think my typing and spelling have descended to new lows. Sorry folks.

538 posted on 07/01/2005 6:14:58 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)

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To: cajungirl

I think Shango is a paranoid lunatic who has kernals of real stuff that happenes but that he enbroiders into a drama.

Well said. We're on the same page.

539 posted on 07/01/2005 6:19:02 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG

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To: maggiefluffs

{Regardless, the posts raise some interesting questions such as why is the PC retiring and when was it planned? Obviously there's some sort of coverup and corruption within the Aruba judicial and LE systems. It makes perfect sense to investigate the PC, IMHO.}

Greta asked someone about this last night. She asked if the resignation could have anything to do with this case. Of course the answer was "No" and it was stated that his contract was up and that he was due to leave the position. Who knows?? I guess that could be true.

540 posted on 07/01/2005 6:19:57 AM PDT by truthluva

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