Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

do you have the 37 pages of text? - if so I will frmail you my email address.

From SM:

hi everyone...i copied shango's posts..i think this is all of them, anyway here are what i noted (in order it was said):

One straight path

to the house of Rave,

while of gold bricks

the road is not paved,

answers mysterious lie within

magical letters which spell sin

XTC DNA

Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. Post

DirtyHand is alive

Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist

that door to eden remains closed

until the house with the path

But not of gold

is entered

DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder

The gods are talking

Outsiders brought into the Arawak tribe walk in many circles, nameless

DirtyHand can bring down all houses

DirtyHand is the key

His reach is long

He walks in all circles

consort to all, except for the gods

He knows the sacrifice is not responsible

Of whom is the young Babylonian afraid?

Why won’t he talk?

The dice throwers know

the maze of the rave

and the fly that entered the trap

DirtyHand is the key

He walks in many circles

Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles

DirtyHand knows this

Children of the Elders play in the maze,

but DirtyHand is afraid to rave

Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles

Follow the music!

Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover it’s secrets

The lamb is scared

The fires are lit

But now the lamb is a goat

Mary never heard the buoy toll

ask the men who play dice and “roll”

THE DRAX SCORES

Follow the music

The DiceMen must be questioned.

They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze

Mary who was not a virgin entered

The DiceMen ROLLED

Mary ROLLED

Mary ROLLED through the Maze

There is more than one house of music

the Lamb is a Scapegoat

The Lamb returned to the fold

Mary Rolled

And the lions played

Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers

The maze offers many hidden desires

deflowerings of forbidden fruits

DirtyHand knows.

So does the elder.

The lamb is a scapegoat.

DirtyHand has walked through the maze

He knows of the forbidden fruit

and the gardeners

Why do they leave the Maze open?

Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.

Tell the Cowboys!

The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.

All know of the music

beckoning lost souls

to enter the seven levels of inferno

who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?

Enter the Maze.

The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.

Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

Lucy spoke at 10:56

DirtyHand does not play with the lions

but he has entered the maze

the lamb is a scapegoat

DirtyHand knows

So does the Elder

Follow the music

into the maze

the lions know they are being stalked

the gamblers and other Rollers talk

tell the cowboys!

The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe

Follow the music,

the lions are not tame

DirtyHand knows,

so does the elder

Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened

The cowboys need to find the right path,

but they can’t hear the music.

The Arawaks know

Stupid Cowboys with Arawak Guides

Cowboys don’t read smoke signals,

they must enter the maze!

Shango needs to feed the messengers. The Gods are talking.

Mary rolled into the maze

to play with lions

but it was not a game

the lamb ran bleating

afraid to walk through the maze

why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?

The cowboys don’t know.

DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

The gods are talking

The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague

I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen

The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus

Threadsurfers on other beaches are oblivious to the Maze and the lions

without exposure, the arawaks will deceive the cowboys

they will leave without loot

Shango is the god of justice

alive in many forms

he who speaks through Oxum through lightning

and himself through thunder

father of the violent dance

diviner of secrets of the seven levels of inferno

bound to truth even as it burns

so that justice may be brought.

Only those who cRave music go into the Maze

The gods of Babylon have orchested the refrain for the Arawak choir

the music which holds the answers lies within the maze

the cowboys will smile sweetly as the chorus sings

backs turned to the maze

never hearing a single note

from the poison song

All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs

How those innocent young flies enter the trap with honey laden notes

Shango must leave to feed the messengers

The gods are talking

Follow the notes

to the poison house

where the children of the babylonians

and the arawak nation

meet, under cover of delusion.

In the maze

the lions which play

shall be found.

The gamblers also took note.

Tell the cowboys!

Not all lions leave their den

That which is hidden shan’t be found in the light

Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon

do not stray from your paths

you hold the key in hand

Yliana Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 12:35 am But I seriously doubt there would have been a party on a school night in a

country house. It was afterall Tuesday!

Yliana Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 12:34 am There are many ‘country’ houses where parties are held. And these houses

are not really mazes but have different rooms where things can happen

subdude Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 12:34 am Big Pappy: Good man. What’s the risk, a little egg on the face? Well worth

the chance of helping.

Babylonians are Dutch because Dutch legal system in Aruba, I beleive.
Arawaks are Arubans. Children of Babylonians could be Dutch kids meeting with Arubans “under cover of

delusion” — thinking they are not noticed. I am struggling — just spit balling.

Yliana: Any thoughts?

The threadsurfers are opening the door to babylon

be careful of the lions

DirtyHand does not have them tamed

but he can enter the den

tell the cowboys

See Subdude / Iliana 12:34

For the doubters: You do not need to see a grain of sand in your eye to know it is there

Find the music

Only David left the den alive

This Simian is not the Simian. It is a Doppleganger.

Crypticism leads to tributaries of thought which would not usually leave the MainStream

Babylon is Falling

The Arawak teepees will be crushed

will they sacrifice the Lamb or the Lion

to make the cowboys smile

The arawaks must hunt the lions

in the place of darkness

house of secrets

Shango finds it very humorous (and quite fitting) that a frenchman would assume the monniker of a

Primate

The babylonian and the shivas did not build castles in the sand they lost to the lions dirty hand knows the

elder knows and so do the arawaks the cowboys are far from the house of babylon the maze shall remain

dark to all but the arawak nation and the elders

The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys

DirtyHand knows Simian knows The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the

next day Shango said no two times Is Simian a DirtyHand too Has the Simian played with the lions in the

houses of ill-repute and poison notes where the innocent flies are lured? Has the Simian, primate that he

is, fed with the other animals? Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of

inferno, not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!

Information the Simian left for 2 days was incorrect His lordship brought nothing from the Hague the

simian listens to whisperings of the arawak tongue foolishly thinking he is an inside

Shango says

Arawaks hold singing card from babylon

There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.

Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

Many teepees fall. No Wampum.

Cowboys eat Sacrifice. Arawaks eat sacrifice.

Dirty hand stays hidden, but all are well-fed.

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