Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: allnatalieallthetime; arrestedpaulvds; aruba; compulsive; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; fubaruba; ghb; holloway; joran; kalpooiesgohome; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessive; ocd; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot

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To: kcvl

Geez, she's getting so thin.. So sad.

1,761 posted on 07/04/2005 1:09:49 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: kcvl

Who knows, maybe "justice" will reach him one day when he least expects it.

1,762 posted on 07/04/2005 1:10:27 PM PDT by roses of sharon (,)

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To: demkicker

Haven't heard anything more about the search efforts today, not since the other day when the leader of the team was reported to have said he's not talking to the Arubans any longer about what they've found.

1,763 posted on 07/04/2005 1:10:34 PM PDT by texasbluebell

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To: texasbluebell

How many 6'5" Frankenstein-monster lookalikes do you think are on such a small island?

1,764 posted on 07/04/2005 1:10:37 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)

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To: Carolinamom

The dad did sign that waiver before he was released, so that's possible. It's logical he'd have to return to testify, so aruban law probably says he doesn't have to.

1,765 posted on 07/04/2005 1:11:31 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: kcvl

That grin proves that he knows nothing will ever happen to him!

Yes, he knows he'll skate. He's never been held to account in his life, I'd wager.

1,766 posted on 07/04/2005 1:12:32 PM PDT by texasbluebell

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To: kcvl

Not necessarily...Joran is a sociopath like Scott Peterson was. Scott grinned a lot too.

1,767 posted on 07/04/2005 1:12:56 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

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To: Palladin

Well, that's a good point. There can't be another one like him. At least I hope not.

1,768 posted on 07/04/2005 1:13:57 PM PDT by texasbluebell

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To: dc-zoo

I don't think a vest would protect him if we really wanted to get him. Check out our sniper guys in Afghanistan.
M82 Barrett

Warning Graphic:

http://www.compoundclan.com/video/NastyMeds.wmv

1,769 posted on 07/04/2005 1:15:52 PM PDT by Malichi

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To: the Deejay

I get the feeling Greta's taking the day off today like most of the anchors.

1,770 posted on 07/04/2005 1:16:36 PM PDT by dc-zoo

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To: Palladin

I did see Geraldo last night
talking to Mr. Groene.

1,771 posted on 07/04/2005 1:17:43 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: demkicker

I do. I do.

1,772 posted on 07/04/2005 1:19:30 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: dc-zoo

She's been off the entire weekend.

Think she went back to D.C. for the
holiday.

1,773 posted on 07/04/2005 1:20:24 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: Malichi

July 04, 2005
Brothers Released in Aruba in Natalee Holloway Case

By CK Rairden--

Reports from the island of Aruba say a judge on Monday has ordered the release of two Surinamese brothers in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway. Prosecutors asked the judge to order all three held for another two months while police continue their search for Holloway. The judge declined on Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe and ordered then to be released.

They are now free.

That leaves 17-year old Joran van der Sloot as the lone suspect still detained. Broadcast reports and the AP are citing "court officials" that say the 17-year-old son of a justice official on the island -- has been ordered held for 60 more days.

Brothers may leave Aruba?

Fox News is reporting that the mother of the two brothers has said that Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, the young men just released, may flee the island now that they are out of prison and return home.

The three young men were scheduled and appeared today in the Caribbean island's only courthouse where the judge decided to allow the two brothers their freedom, while holding Joran van der Sloot. It's not clear what happened inside the courthouse as it is closed to reporters. Even Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, and stepfather, George "Jug" Twitty, went to the courthouse Monday but weren't allowed inside the hearings because the hearings were closed.

Trip to Beach on Sunday

Yesterday the three young men were taken to a stretch of beach near the Marriott hotel in Aruba separately between 9 a.m. and 11 a.m. Aruba time. The goal of the mission was to see if the suspects' stories could be matched in separate visits.

It's not clear if that is the reason the brothers were allowed to go free.

Other broadcast reports say that Joran van der Sloot still has not been charged. According to those on the island, he was seen smiling and joking in the back of the police car as he left the courthouse to head back to prison.

The Holloway family is said to be distraught at the releases and has tentatively scheduled a press conference for 6:00 p.m. EDT.

Natalee Holloway has now been missing for exactly five weeks.

1,774 posted on 07/04/2005 1:20:27 PM PDT by kcvl

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To: Malichi

I don't think a vest would protect him if we really wanted to get him. Check out our sniper guys in Afghanistan.
M82 Barrett

I don't think Jugs is the problem for Joran. Natlee's father, Dave Holloway, have been very quiet. He's former Special Ops and to be feared. There is no need for a 50 caliber. I suspect nobody will ever suspect anything unusual.

1,775 posted on 07/04/2005 1:21:36 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)

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To: Carolinamom

Do they have trial by jury in Aruba or does the judge decide? Either way, Joran is sitting pretty. Sly snake.

1,776 posted on 07/04/2005 1:23:22 PM PDT by Jrabbit

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To: texasbluebell; Palladin

In the backgrounds on tv, I've
seen some pretty tall Arubans.

1,777 posted on 07/04/2005 1:23:46 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: the Deejay

They look tall because they're standing next to Greta or Geraldo. ;)

1,778 posted on 07/04/2005 1:25:32 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)

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To: Jrabbit

The judge decides. There are no juries in Aruba.

1,779 posted on 07/04/2005 1:27:04 PM PDT by kcvl

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To: Palladin

"The detention of Deepak and Satish K. has not been prolonged," court clerk Isella Wernet said, reading from a statement outside the courthouse. The suspects are ordered released immediately. The detention of Joran van der S. has been prolonged 60 days beginning today."

Under Dutch law that governs Aruba, a protectorate of the Netherlands, detainees can be held 116 days before being charged by a judge, but prosecutors need to go to court periodically to renew the detention.

Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers told reporters prosecutors had requested permission to hold the brothers for another 60 days but presented no evidence.

Van der Sloot's lawyer Antonio Carlo would not comment on whether investigators had presented new evidence against his client, but he said a judge did approve a motion letting lawyers be present during interrogations. Carlo said previous motions requesting a lawyer's presence had been denied.

"It's important for me to say again today that my client maintains his innocence," Carlo added.

Earlier, the Kalpoes' mother, Nadira Ramirez, expressed hope for her sons' release as she waited outside the courthouse along with a handful of curious tourists and hordes of news media.

"We are hoping and expecting them to be released because they are innocent," she said. "They don't have any evidence against them."

Holloway's stepfather George (Jug) Twitty, said the family felt it was important to attend the hearing as well.

"It was comforting for my wife to be in there today," he said of Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty. Holloway Twitty did not speak to reporters.

A lone protester walked back and forth in front of the courthouse with a sign reading "Let them go. They are innocent. This is a setup." She identified herself as Myriam Croes, but would not comment further.

1,780 posted on 07/04/2005 1:27:34 PM PDT by kcvl

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