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| 6-3-05
| Sara Faiwell
Posted on 06/03/2005 2:41:36 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: T.Smith
You are correct - you have a right to your opinion - you do not have the right to attack other posters.
41
posted on
06/03/2005 7:31:25 PM PDT
by
Gabz
(My give-a-damn is busted.)
To: Gabz
you are free to miss the point as often and as widely as you like.
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posted on
06/03/2005 7:33:06 PM PDT
by
muir_redwoods
(Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
To: muir_redwoods
Just as you are free to miss the point as often as you like.
Good night.
I will check back in the morning...........
43
posted on
06/03/2005 7:37:52 PM PDT
by
Gabz
(My give-a-damn is busted.)
Comment #44 Removed by Moderator
To: SheLion
I live in McHenry County and I'm waiting for my village to take this up. Of course, if the village officials were really concerned about health issues, they would ban the SALE of tobacco as well as the use of tobacco, but that would cut into the precious revenue stream and we just can't have that.
45
posted on
06/03/2005 7:44:48 PM PDT
by
Bernard
To: T.Smith
If that is your opinion of her posts, why do you bother reading them or posting to the threads?
You and I have differnt ways of dealing with things, I guess - if I don't like a particular topic, or the person who posts the most threads about the topic, I just avoid them. I don't go on the thread and make a nasty comment about the person who posted the thread.
Have a pleasant evening.
46
posted on
06/03/2005 7:54:06 PM PDT
by
Gabz
(My give-a-damn is busted.)
To: Gabz; All
"There are many rules/regulations/laws a small business must adhere to - but I've got a problem with them being changed AFTER the business has already established it's clientele. That is EXACTLY what smoking bans do.There are many rules/regulations/laws a small business must adhere to - but I've got a problem with them being changed AFTER the business has already established it's clientele. That is EXACTLY what smoking bans do."
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Right on target!!!
The number of people allowed in a closed space at one time is based on the size of the space, the same as elevators, to avoid people being hurt, trampled or having a floor cave in due to overcrowding. I have personally seen where this law isn't always enforced. Sprinklers make sense, but a lot of places still don't have them. Checking a kitchen to prevent food poisoning and protecting diners from being served rancid food makes sense. Bathrooms are not "designed" by the state, but it does prevent contageous diseases to require a bathroom to have running water and a toilet that flushes. All the licensing, taxing and fees are just a little more greed and control from the government, but they do keep track of legitimate businesses to enforce guidelines against disease and illegal activities. The handicapped modifications are not always observed either, but do have a humane goal. (I just wish there weren't so many rude handicapped people who expect everyone else to jump out of their way and use their wheelchairs like battering rams on the unsuspecting.)
At any rate, many restaurant regulations do make sense. Smoking bans do not. If you don't like smoke, go somewhere else! Non-smoking restaurants were already in the majority in Highland Park, but the Antis just couldn't stand not having complete control.
47
posted on
06/03/2005 8:02:16 PM PDT
by
Garnet Dawn
(""It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." - Abraham Lincoln)
To: Gabz
We have a history. She's been none too polite, unprovoked, more than once.
Take care.
48
posted on
06/03/2005 8:02:36 PM PDT
by
T.Smith
To: SheLion
Rolling rolling rolling.
Smokers are in desperate need of a major makeover. Queer eye for the fag guy.
49
posted on
06/03/2005 8:04:14 PM PDT
by
Raycpa
To: T.Smith; Gabz; SheLion; All
That is my opinion of her posts. She beats the same dead horse over and over and over... She is also inclined to ridiculous posting strategies that include rainbow colors, obnoxious .gifs and huge fonts. In short, her posts are rambling and incoherent. That is not an attack, it's an opinion. I came to the thread to state that opinion. I'm sorry you don't like it.
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Seems like you follow SheLion's threads faithfully. She must be doing something right, even in your eyes!
Of course she keeps beating on the same subject. It is one of the most important subjects any of us can choose. She is trying to protect our Freedom of Choice, which is what the Antis want to eliminate....that, and keeping the smokers' money rolling in to pad their payrolls and promote more grants so that they can keep raking in their fat paychecks.
There are too many people who just don't care. SheLion does. I personally like her .gifs and .jpgs. They break up the monotony...and they say something. Ever heard "A picture is worth a thousand words"? Colors, cartoons and comic strips have been around for a long time...See you've been missing something!
Maybe you should find something more constructive to do with your time, rather than criticizing people who have strong beliefs. You must be a sad person because you give the impression that you completely lack creativity and a sense of humor.
Smokers Rights Advocates are going to keep harping on the same subjects until anti-smokers give up. Get used to it if you are going to follow the topics on this forum. Be glad! Maybe we will keep the Anti Nazis so busy, they will leave you alone and not try to take away any more of YOUR basic rights to choice!!!
50
posted on
06/03/2005 8:32:15 PM PDT
by
Garnet Dawn
(""A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." --Bertrand de Jouvenel)
To: Bernard; SheLion; Gabz
Hi Bernard, Take a look at IL Smokers Rights at
http://www.illinoissmokersrights.com/. You will see we are trying to fight back, but we need more people. We have collected a lot of useful information.
It can't happen in McHenry, unless the Governor signs the "Illinois Clean Air Act - Home Rule". On the site, click on the link for the Illinois Smokers Group and consider joining. You will be very welcome on the forum!!
51
posted on
06/03/2005 8:43:27 PM PDT
by
Garnet Dawn
(""A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." --Bertrand de Jouvenel)
To: T.Smith
Oh boy! Another incoherent smoking thread brought to us by SheLion!
3 posted on 06/03/2005 2:46:00 PM PDT by T.Smith
It's another thread no one's forcing you to read.
52
posted on
06/03/2005 11:39:50 PM PDT
by
The Foolkiller
( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
To: muir_redwoods
The state mandates sprinklers, handicapped access, restroom design, inspects the kitchen, verifies the content of the menu, licenses the liquor and beer sales, regulates how many customers can be in the restaurant at one time, regulates the hours it can be open and what it can serve at what hour, assesses the wait-staff a presumed tips-income and helps design the parking lot.
Now, what was your concern?
The state having the right to tell them who their customers can be. And you forgot the part where the state taxes them up the ass.
53
posted on
06/03/2005 11:44:04 PM PDT
by
The Foolkiller
( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
To: Gabz
To: T.Smith
I have as much right to an opinion as you, even if you don't like my opinions.
Or, then again, maybe she just doesn't like YOU. I don't, either. ;)
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posted on
06/03/2005 11:56:25 PM PDT
by
The Foolkiller
( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
To: T.Smith
well ...now we have a history...when I see you dis-respecting people...I will report you..and i will be watching!!!
To: muir_redwoods; Gabz; Mears
The state mandates sprinklers, handicapped access, restroom design, inspects the kitchen, verifies the content of the menu, licenses the liquor and beer sales, regulates how many customers can be in the restaurant at one time, regulates the hours it can be open and what it can serve at what hour, assesses the wait-staff a presumed tips-income and helps design the parking lot.
The State has many more laws then that. We don't need any more in regards to the restaurant you own. Next they'll be telling you that you can not allow cellphones because they bother a few people, or babies because smoke from your pizza oven will kill them, or people wearing cologne because someone might be allergic. Where do you suggest "they" stop running your business and leave it up to your common sense to know what you want in your building AND let the public decide where they want to go and how they want to spend their money?
Consumers will dictate the market if you let them
You put up a no scent sign and then you decide if you want to leave it up or not.
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posted on
06/04/2005 5:29:05 AM PDT
by
SheLion
(God Bless Our Vets and Our Military. We thank them for their service!)
To: pickemuphere
Bull. As I heard someone say recently, having a smoking section in a restaurant makes as much sense as having a peeing section in a pool. Well, how often do they CHANGE that water in a pool? Restaurants with big smoke eaters are constantly changing the air.
So this ridiculous analogy doesn't fly.
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posted on
06/04/2005 5:58:57 AM PDT
by
SheLion
(God Bless Our Vets and Our Military. We thank them for their service!)
To: Raycpa; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; KS Flyover; Cantiloper; metesky; ...
Rolling rolling rolling. Smokers are in desperate need of a major makeover. Queer eye for the fag guy.
Talk about coming into a thread and bashing us! Take a look at THIS jerk! I wonder if he has many friends.
He sure doesn't in HERE!
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posted on
06/04/2005 6:18:21 AM PDT
by
SheLion
(God Bless Our Vets and Our Military. We thank them for their service!)
To: Raycpa
Smokers are in desperate need of a major makeover. Queer eye for the fag guy. You posted this at 11:04 pm. Got a little something "under the belt?" LOL!
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posted on
06/04/2005 6:22:29 AM PDT
by
SheLion
(God Bless Our Vets and Our Military. We thank them for their service!)
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