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| 6-3-05
| Sara Faiwell
Posted on 06/03/2005 2:41:36 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: muir_redwoods
Sorry pal, the state outlawed freedom decades ago.
You're right, so why are you mocking us who still are fighting for whats left? Stop your sarcasm and join the fight........
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posted on
06/03/2005 6:05:04 PM PDT
by
Hot Tabasco
(Don't hold it against me because I shot the SOB. I'm tired of dealing with stupid people!)
To: muir_redwoods; SheLion
The state mandates sprinklers, handicapped access, restroom design, inspects the kitchen, verifies the content of the menu, licenses the liquor and beer sales, regulates how many customers can be in the restaurant at one time, regulates the hours it can be open and what it can serve at what hour, assesses the wait-staff a presumed tips-income and helps design the parking lot.
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None of the above apply to behavior modification or social engineering. They are basic general guidelines for safety or tax purposes...and you are exaggerating on a few...we all know that. (I personally think pre-assessing tips for restaurant/bar employees sucks!)
The majority of the guidelines you named, have been formed through trial and error. You are getting a little carried away though. If inspections for all the above were performed with the magnifying glass intensity that seems to be reserved for smoking, very few establishments would be open for business.
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posted on
06/03/2005 6:13:15 PM PDT
by
Garnet Dawn
("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves."--Bertrand de Jouvenel)
To: Gabz
If you don't like the subject of the thread, don't bother reading it. But to attack the poster of the thread in such a manner is not only against rational discourse, it is against the rules of this website. Thank you, Gabz
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posted on
06/03/2005 6:19:58 PM PDT
by
SheLion
(God Bless Our Vets and Our Military. We thank them for their service!)
To: Garnet Dawn
Perfect Garnet!
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posted on
06/03/2005 6:21:45 PM PDT
by
SheLion
(God Bless Our Vets and Our Military. We thank them for their service!)
To: Hot Tabasco
Go away worm, you weren't invited..... Thank you as well!
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posted on
06/03/2005 6:23:18 PM PDT
by
SheLion
(God Bless Our Vets and Our Military. We thank them for their service!)
To: SheLion
Personally, I think its stupid because restaurants have good ventilation systems now, he said Bull. As I heard someone say recently, having a smoking section in a restaurant makes as much sense as having a peeing section in a pool.
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posted on
06/03/2005 6:26:39 PM PDT
by
pickemuphere
(Leviticus 13:3)
To: Garnet Dawn; SheLion; Gabz; All
None of the above apply to behavior modification or social engineering.
While I agree wholeheartedly with your argument and those of SheLion and Gabz (I love them), logical facts supporting logical arguments no longer apply in this environment where so called "Conservatives" have devolved to the "ME" mentality inherent in the socialist democrat party to the point they willingly turn a blind eye to private property rights and tyrannical taxation simply to satisfy their own personal biases.......
As I stated to a jerk in an above post, his day is almost here and all I am going to do is sit back and laugh at his lament!
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posted on
06/03/2005 6:28:52 PM PDT
by
Hot Tabasco
(Don't hold it against me because I shot the SOB. I'm tired of dealing with stupid people!)
To: SheLion
Sometimes I'm just in the mood to slap down those that torque me off - tonight is one of those times :)
Which is why I will probably being on my way to my pillow shortly :)
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posted on
06/03/2005 6:44:01 PM PDT
by
Gabz
(My give-a-damn is busted.)
To: pickemuphere
Bull. As I heard someone say recently, having a smoking section in a restaurant makes as much sense as having a peeing section in a pool. You don't hang out with very pleasant people, do you?
If you don't like going to an establishment that permits smoking you have 3 choices, find one that prohibits it, open your own, or stay home.
A a member of FReeRepublic I can not understand you looking at this issue in any other way.
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posted on
06/03/2005 6:47:52 PM PDT
by
Gabz
(My give-a-damn is busted.)
To: Gabz
"And permitting smoking has anything to do with any of that how?????????"I responded to a post by someone who called the governments ban a taking and they asserted that it was the restaurateurs right to make such a decision. I noted the degree to which the government had already usurped the owners decision making rights to a considerable degree. I thought the point would have been obvious.
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posted on
06/03/2005 6:58:52 PM PDT
by
muir_redwoods
(Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
To: Hot Tabasco; Garnet Dawn; SheLion
logical facts supporting logical arguments no longer apply in this environment where so called "Conservatives" have devolved to the "ME" mentality inherent in the socialist democrat party to the point they willingly turn a blind eye to private property rights and tyrannical taxation simply to satisfy their own personal biases....... You have said a mouthful there, my FRiend.
It actually pains me to see the number of so-called "conservatives," many of whom are long time FReepers, who are more than happy to call for more government "intervention" when it comes to their pet peeves - whether it be smoking or Walmart.
There was a thread the other day about NJ legislators wanting to put a tax on elective cosmetic surgery - I find it very difficult to be outraged about it. Many of the ones screaming against it are the same ones that have no problem with an increased tobacco tax or smoking ban. If I lived in NJ I would be fighting it, but since I don't live there...............well, such is life.
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posted on
06/03/2005 6:58:58 PM PDT
by
Gabz
(My give-a-damn is busted.)
To: muir_redwoods
And I asked you a specific question which you chose not to answer.
There are many rules/regulations/laws a small business must adhere to - but I've got a problem with them being changed AFTER the business has already established it's clientele. That is EXACTLY what smoking bans do.
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posted on
06/03/2005 7:06:51 PM PDT
by
Gabz
(My give-a-damn is busted.)
To: facedown
To: pickemuphere; SheLion; Gabz
"Bull. As I heard someone say recently, having a smoking section in a restaurant makes as much sense as having a peeing section in a pool."
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Have other smokers noticed that non-smokers and Antis seem to take exceptional pleasure in bathroom/potty humor? The Antis have always been so eager to coin statements that get attention with short childish shock slogans.
Anyone with half a brain knows that a pool with millions of gallons of water is only completely replaced with fresh water a couple of times a year, while the most basic indoor ventilation system changes over the air every few hours. That is, unless they have gone smoke-free and can reduce the amount of fresh air introduced by their system...just recycle the stale stuff.
Good example: The airlines!
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posted on
06/03/2005 7:13:09 PM PDT
by
Garnet Dawn
("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves."--Bertrand de Jouvenel)
To: pickemuphere
having a smoking section in a restaurant makes as much sense as having a peeing section in a pool
Last pool I ever almost entered was a few years back in Honduras. Saw a little kid standing on the side whizzing into it. So, I just stayed on the deck and enjoyed the sun.....
Moral of story: Doesn't really matter how much one accomodates the worry-warts, you'll never make them happy no matter how much you try to accomodate them and they'll still piss on you.......
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posted on
06/03/2005 7:14:55 PM PDT
by
Hot Tabasco
(Don't hold it against me because I shot the SOB. I'm tired of dealing with stupid people!)
To: pickemuphere
" having a smoking section in a restaurant makes as much sense as having a peeing section in a pool."
Damn! I hadn't heard that one! Makes perfect sense. (sarcasm intended)
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posted on
06/03/2005 7:17:44 PM PDT
by
Mears
(Keep the government out of my face!)
To: Gabz
"And I asked you a specific question which you chose not to answer." I can explain it to you(again) but I cannot understand it for you. It, the smoking ban, relates to the other regulations because it is a government imposed limitation on the property owner's use of his property. Many such regulations are imposed on businesses all the time by an over-reaching government and they are often established so as to affect an existing clientele. I hope this is now clear to you. I would have thought the point was obvious to but apparently not so for everyone.
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posted on
06/03/2005 7:18:07 PM PDT
by
muir_redwoods
(Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
To: Garnet Dawn; pickemuphere; SheLion
But, my FRiend, you are putting logic into the equation here - don't you realize you are not allowed to do that? Only FEEEEEEEEEEEEEELINGS are permitted in this discussion.
And, of course, bogus science.
Truth and facts never seem to be a priority with the nannyists, do they?
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posted on
06/03/2005 7:23:54 PM PDT
by
Gabz
(My give-a-damn is busted.)
To: Gabz
I have as much right to an opinion as you, even if you don't like my opinions.
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posted on
06/03/2005 7:26:39 PM PDT
by
T.Smith
To: muir_redwoods
There is a difference between the things you listed and a smoking ban - the smoking ban is a limitation on the clientele the owner is permitted to cater to - and it matters not whether he has a liquor license ornot.
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posted on
06/03/2005 7:29:37 PM PDT
by
Gabz
(My give-a-damn is busted.)
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