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Bush says Cold War captivity one of great wrongs
NY Times ^ | May 7, 2005 | REUTERS

Posted on 05/07/2005 3:20:28 PM PDT by neverdem

Filed at 1:34 p.m. ET

RIGA (Reuters) - President Bush denounced Soviet Cold War rule of eastern Europe as ``one of the greatest wrongs of history'' on Saturday in a jab at Moscow two days before celebrations of the 1945 victory over Hitler.

Bush, visiting Latvia before the ceremonies in Moscow marking 60 years since the end of World War II in Europe, also held up the three Baltic states as examples of democratic reform since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

He said the end of the war brought liberty from fascism for many in Germany but meant the ``iron rule of another empire'' for the Baltic states -- Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia -- and nations from Poland to Romania.

Bush admitted the United States shared some responsibility for the Cold War division of Europe after the 1945 Yalta accord between Russia, the United States and Britain.

``Once again, when powerful governments negotiated, the freedom of small nations was somehow expendable,'' he said. ``Yet this attempt to sacrifice freedom for the sake of stability left a continent divided and unstable.

``The captivity of millions in central and eastern Europe will be remembered as one of the greatest wrongs of history,'' he said in a speech at Riga's guildhall.

The three Baltic states joined both NATO and the European Union last year.

Bush's visit to Riga has angered Russia by reviving tensions about the Soviet occupation when Moscow is focusing on celebrating the end of World War II, a conflict that cost 27 million Soviet lives.

Russian President Vladimir Putin dismissed calls by the Baltic states for an apology for Soviet rule and accused them on Saturday of trying to cover up past Nazi collaboration.

BUSH MEETS PUTIN

The differing versions of history may make for frictions when Bush meets Putin in Moscow on Sunday and Monday.

Putin insists the Red Army was a liberator, not an oppressor, of Eastern Europe.

``Our people not only defended their homeland, they liberated 11 European countries,'' Putin said on Saturday after laying a wreath at a monument to Russia's war dead.

In a recent state of the nation speech he bemoaned the demise of the Soviet Union as ``the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'' He has also said Washington should not try to export its own brand of democracy.

Bush said Russia's leaders had made ``great progress'' in the past 15 years.

``In the long run it is the strength of Russian democracy that will determine the greatness of Russia and I believe the Russian people value their freedom and will settle for no less,'' he said.

``As we mark a victory of six decades ago, we are mindful of a paradox. For much of Germany, defeat led to freedom. For much of Eastern and Central Europe, victory brought the iron rule of another empire.''

He also held up the Baltics as examples of successful shifts to democracy, a theme he stressed for nations including Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Belarus.

``These are extraordinary times that we're living in and the three Baltic countries are capable of helping Russia and other countries in this part of the world see the benefits of what it means to live in a free society,'' Bush told a news conference.

But Bush did not back pleas by the Baltic countries for an apology from Russia. ``My hope is that we are able to move on,'' he said.

He later flew to the Netherlands where he will spend Saturday night.

The presidents of Lithuania and Estonia will boycott the May 9 ceremonies in Moscow. Georgia's president will also stay away, but Latvia's president will attend.

All three Baltic nations, whose combined population is now about 6 million, were occupied by the Soviet Union in June 1940 after a pact between Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia which divided up spheres of influence in East Europe.

In 1941, German troops occupied the Baltics and remained there until the end of the war when Soviet troops returned and ruled with an iron fist. The collapse of communism enabled the Baltic states to win their independence in 1991.

Bush also urged free elections in Belarus, which shares borders with Lithuania and Latvia, and ruled out any secret U.S deal with Moscow allowing President Alexander Lukashenko to remain in power. ``We don't make secret deals,'' he said.

Latvian President Vaira Vike-Freiberga wrote in the Washington Post on Saturday: ``Russia would gain immensely by ... expressing its genuine regret for the crimes of the Soviet regime.

``Until Russia does so ... its relations with its immediate neighbors will remain uneasy at best.''

But writing in the French daily Le Figaro, Putin dismissed calls for an apology and accused the Baltic countries of trying to justify their own government's ``discriminatory and reprehensible policy'' toward their Russian-speaking populations.

Police detained about 20 protesters from Latvia's big Russian minority after they hurled smoke bombs in a demonstration against Bush.

``Bush is a horror,'' said protest leader Beness Aija. Posters in another demonstration said: ``Stop the war in Iraq.''

But many Latvians welcome Bush. ``It's important to recognize the struggle that our fathers had against communists and the Soviet Union,'' said Ugis Senbergs, a 50-year-old architect.


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To: Grzegorz 246
"The Russians view their position as liberating Eastern Europe " Because they are still brainwashed by Stalinistic propaganda

Yeah, they should have signed an armestice with the Nazis when they were on the Vestule. You were better off as German slaves obviously, since your own words show preference to the Germans and the Nazis as your owners. Heck, maybe that's why you were so quick to sell out your homeland to the German/French EU, eh Judus?

181 posted on 05/08/2005 11:12:18 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Gee, a parade for the 60th anniversary commemorating the Soviet soldiers. Ooh, ok, you've got everyone now Judas.
182 posted on 05/08/2005 11:13:27 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: hosepipe

I am not saying how Stalin felt or thought - no one knows how that monster felt or thought. I am talking about the views of ordinary Russians.


183 posted on 05/08/2005 11:13:48 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Grzegorz 246

What you said is a lie - there was no forcing anyone - these nations willingly joined.


184 posted on 05/08/2005 11:14:25 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Grzegorz 246

I'm glad to see we've maxed out your capacity and you're back to posting pictures. You know, I teach my 9 year old daughter to discuss thing rather then devolving to a 5 year old's abilities and just showing pictures. Hmmm.


185 posted on 05/08/2005 11:14:48 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: ms_68

Yeah, and in 1938 it was Nazis and Poles as allies ripping Czech apart, or did you forget that while you were busy burning Orthodox Chruches in western Ukraine and Belaruss. Oops, guess you're not just a victim after all.


187 posted on 05/08/2005 11:16:53 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

Russian SS regiment killed a few thousand of Polish civilians in August 44.


188 posted on 05/08/2005 11:17:08 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: jb6
Exactly you kacapian POS.
190 posted on 05/08/2005 11:17:53 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Prove it. There were never Russian SS divisions. Hitler specifically forbid any Russian formations, only in Nov 1944 did they organize 2 divisions in Czech.


191 posted on 05/08/2005 11:18:47 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Destro
No American was going to die to save former Nazi allied nations from the (what I am sure most Americans considered the rightful) wrath of the Soviets.

Well, and in addition, most Americans I would say, perceived the Soviets as present allies, not future adversaries. I believe Churchill cringed at what was coming but FDR posed as the supreme strategist who had "Uncle Joe" well in hand.

192 posted on 05/08/2005 11:19:34 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: ms_68

This is his salary.


194 posted on 05/08/2005 11:21:15 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Your only contributions here, Judas, is writing revisionist history & lies, posting pictures and writing curse words. Guess your mother didn't slap you enough.
Spare the rod create a Judas.


195 posted on 05/08/2005 11:21:19 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6
Come on ! Kiss your uncle !



196 posted on 05/08/2005 11:22:10 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: ms_68
Poland took Zaolzie which had previously been taken from Poland by Czech Army by force in August 1920Yeah and the Soviets, now Ukraine and Belaruss retook the lands that Poland stole in 1920s, oh but you are holy and all pure and never the oppressor. Heck, you are God's choosen people and now slaves to the EU. Funny, isn't it?
197 posted on 05/08/2005 11:22:44 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Grzegorz 246

My salary? Well better then can be said for 19.4% of the Polish population that has no salary. Gads, are you the highest unemployment rate in Europe? Well I think the Albanians beat you.


198 posted on 05/08/2005 11:23:45 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6
Now your current master ! On your knees kacaps !


199 posted on 05/08/2005 11:24:54 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: hinckley buzzard
Churchill was a good tactician but a horrible strategist (Italy was not the soft underbelly of Europe and his Gallipoli was a disaster). Even if FDR listened to Churchill - what was the alternative? None existed beyond cutting of supplies to the Soviets - at the time we still thought we needed them in Asia to fight Japan and at the time of Yalta Germany was far from defeated. If we cut off the Soviets Stalin would have cut a deal and Hitler would have still held on to a huge chunk of Eastern Europe.

History is no as black or white as we may like it to be. Time also distorts reality. Bush was speaking of an understanding of history from a modern standpoint - not how events played themselves out at Yalta.

200 posted on 05/08/2005 11:24:59 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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