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Bush says Cold War captivity one of great wrongs
NY Times ^ | May 7, 2005 | REUTERS

Posted on 05/07/2005 3:20:28 PM PDT by neverdem

Filed at 1:34 p.m. ET

RIGA (Reuters) - President Bush denounced Soviet Cold War rule of eastern Europe as ``one of the greatest wrongs of history'' on Saturday in a jab at Moscow two days before celebrations of the 1945 victory over Hitler.

Bush, visiting Latvia before the ceremonies in Moscow marking 60 years since the end of World War II in Europe, also held up the three Baltic states as examples of democratic reform since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

He said the end of the war brought liberty from fascism for many in Germany but meant the ``iron rule of another empire'' for the Baltic states -- Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia -- and nations from Poland to Romania.

Bush admitted the United States shared some responsibility for the Cold War division of Europe after the 1945 Yalta accord between Russia, the United States and Britain.

``Once again, when powerful governments negotiated, the freedom of small nations was somehow expendable,'' he said. ``Yet this attempt to sacrifice freedom for the sake of stability left a continent divided and unstable.

``The captivity of millions in central and eastern Europe will be remembered as one of the greatest wrongs of history,'' he said in a speech at Riga's guildhall.

The three Baltic states joined both NATO and the European Union last year.

Bush's visit to Riga has angered Russia by reviving tensions about the Soviet occupation when Moscow is focusing on celebrating the end of World War II, a conflict that cost 27 million Soviet lives.

Russian President Vladimir Putin dismissed calls by the Baltic states for an apology for Soviet rule and accused them on Saturday of trying to cover up past Nazi collaboration.

BUSH MEETS PUTIN

The differing versions of history may make for frictions when Bush meets Putin in Moscow on Sunday and Monday.

Putin insists the Red Army was a liberator, not an oppressor, of Eastern Europe.

``Our people not only defended their homeland, they liberated 11 European countries,'' Putin said on Saturday after laying a wreath at a monument to Russia's war dead.

In a recent state of the nation speech he bemoaned the demise of the Soviet Union as ``the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'' He has also said Washington should not try to export its own brand of democracy.

Bush said Russia's leaders had made ``great progress'' in the past 15 years.

``In the long run it is the strength of Russian democracy that will determine the greatness of Russia and I believe the Russian people value their freedom and will settle for no less,'' he said.

``As we mark a victory of six decades ago, we are mindful of a paradox. For much of Germany, defeat led to freedom. For much of Eastern and Central Europe, victory brought the iron rule of another empire.''

He also held up the Baltics as examples of successful shifts to democracy, a theme he stressed for nations including Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Belarus.

``These are extraordinary times that we're living in and the three Baltic countries are capable of helping Russia and other countries in this part of the world see the benefits of what it means to live in a free society,'' Bush told a news conference.

But Bush did not back pleas by the Baltic countries for an apology from Russia. ``My hope is that we are able to move on,'' he said.

He later flew to the Netherlands where he will spend Saturday night.

The presidents of Lithuania and Estonia will boycott the May 9 ceremonies in Moscow. Georgia's president will also stay away, but Latvia's president will attend.

All three Baltic nations, whose combined population is now about 6 million, were occupied by the Soviet Union in June 1940 after a pact between Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia which divided up spheres of influence in East Europe.

In 1941, German troops occupied the Baltics and remained there until the end of the war when Soviet troops returned and ruled with an iron fist. The collapse of communism enabled the Baltic states to win their independence in 1991.

Bush also urged free elections in Belarus, which shares borders with Lithuania and Latvia, and ruled out any secret U.S deal with Moscow allowing President Alexander Lukashenko to remain in power. ``We don't make secret deals,'' he said.

Latvian President Vaira Vike-Freiberga wrote in the Washington Post on Saturday: ``Russia would gain immensely by ... expressing its genuine regret for the crimes of the Soviet regime.

``Until Russia does so ... its relations with its immediate neighbors will remain uneasy at best.''

But writing in the French daily Le Figaro, Putin dismissed calls for an apology and accused the Baltic countries of trying to justify their own government's ``discriminatory and reprehensible policy'' toward their Russian-speaking populations.

Police detained about 20 protesters from Latvia's big Russian minority after they hurled smoke bombs in a demonstration against Bush.

``Bush is a horror,'' said protest leader Beness Aija. Posters in another demonstration said: ``Stop the war in Iraq.''

But many Latvians welcome Bush. ``It's important to recognize the struggle that our fathers had against communists and the Soviet Union,'' said Ugis Senbergs, a 50-year-old architect.


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To: RusIvan
"Ther were not no Poles. Never herad about them except in 19 century."

Yes, indeed It wasn't 2 million Poles, It was 2 million Polish citizens, probably about 40% of them weren't ethnic Poles.
161 posted on 05/08/2005 10:44:21 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246; Atlantic Friend
Hungry, Romania, Bulgaria and the puppet regime of "Slovakia" were "forced" to join the Nazis in their surprise war on Russia? The Nazis "forced" the Baltic state members of teh SS to kill their Jewish populations? Who is distorting history here?

The Russians view their position as liberating Eastern Europe because it liberated the Slavic people from a race war waging Nazi regime that sought to liquidate and carry out genocide against the Slavic peoples to turn what survived into a race of "slaves" for Germans.

163 posted on 05/08/2005 10:46:11 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: RusIvan
Destro has dolls on his homepage, so he can't be treated seriously.

"I'm sorry to watch it:(."

You should be grateful that I am wasting my time trying to educate Siberian kacap.
164 posted on 05/08/2005 10:47:35 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: RusIvan
Don't worry, Smolensk will be run by our puppets, but Belarus will be first. Just wait and watch.
165 posted on 05/08/2005 10:49:59 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: ms_68; Red6; BrooklynGOP; Destro; A. Pole; MarMema; YoungCorps; OldCorps; chukcha; FairOpinion; ...
First, my wife, who is Russian, will get a kick out of reading this. At least you've confirmed that you are nothing but a racist little bigot with the brain case of a dinosaur. So nice to see your truest of faces: hate, blind brainless hate.
168 posted on 05/08/2005 11:00:46 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Destro
[ The Russians view their position as liberating Eastern Europe because it liberated the Slavic people from a race war waging Nazi regime that sought to liquidate and carry out genocide against the Slavic peoples to turn what survived into a race of "slaves" for Germans. ]

Don't know if I'd go that far...
Stalin was not very smart.. i.e. he was a communist..
Or rather he used communism to achieve power..
Doubt he thought that far ahead.. He was just a power hungry crazy person.. Just because your crazy don't mean your stupid.. Once you've got power keeping it a task all by itself.. I think Stalin just got power where ever he could and simply murdered all that threatened it..
Basically a rapist that went political.. and boy was he good at rape.. Whatever Stalin did, the rape came first.. then the obligatory beating.. or murder..
A socio-path with power.. like Hillary Clinton..
-AND- (put in your own names)

169 posted on 05/08/2005 11:04:48 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: Destro
"Hungry, Romania, Bulgaria and the puppet regime of "Slovakia" were "forced" to join the Nazis in their surprise war on Russia?"

Did they want to join Germany, did they vote for it ?

"The Nazis "forced" the Baltic state members of teh SS to kill their Jewish populations?"

No, just like they didn't force Russian members of SS to kill Poles, they didn't need to do it.

"Who is distorting history here? "

What ?

"The Russians view their position as liberating Eastern Europe "

Because they are still brainwashed by Stalinistic propaganda.
170 posted on 05/08/2005 11:05:16 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: ms_68
Russians and Nazis as allies

Brain dead, it's either Russians and Germans or Soviets and Nazis, you can't have it both ways. But I guess you want to since the Germans are your masters in the EU, well along with the French, Spanish and Belgians. What? You didn't fight the annexation of Poland into the EU? I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!

171 posted on 05/08/2005 11:05:19 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: hosepipe

His number two man Baria was well known to stock the junior highschools (or the equivalent) in Moscow.


172 posted on 05/08/2005 11:06:44 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6
"I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!"

With your very limited intellectual abilities It's not surprising.
173 posted on 05/08/2005 11:08:09 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Did they want to join Germany, did they vote for it ?

Well considering that Hungary was ruled by Fascists and Romania and Bulgaria were monarchies with fascist prime ministers, I'd say yes. The only country that rebelled against alliance with the Nazis was Yugoslavia (the Serbs to be specific) and overthrew their prime minister for signing an alliance with Hitler.

174 posted on 05/08/2005 11:08:12 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

175 posted on 05/08/2005 11:09:15 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
With your very limited intellectual abilities

Ahh, look, Judus has spoken. Have you gotten anymore silver for selling out your homeland? Or did your masters decide you've had enough?

176 posted on 05/08/2005 11:09:24 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

177 posted on 05/08/2005 11:10:22 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
No, just like they didn't force Russian members of SS to kill Poles, they didn't need to do it

Yeah, nice lie. Vaslov's two divisions didn't get formed till Nov 1944 and they were used to fight Stalin, thus they were never in Poland but actually in Czech. But other then lies, what else to expect from you?

178 posted on 05/08/2005 11:10:37 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

179 posted on 05/08/2005 11:11:21 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: neverdem
He said the end of the war brought liberty from fascism for many in Germany but meant the ``iron rule of another empire'' for the Baltic states -- Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia -- and nations from Poland to Romania.

Too true.

180 posted on 05/08/2005 11:11:55 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Bush is doing practically nothing to prevent hurricanes." Environmentalist Aimee Christensen)
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