Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
Bad analogy. That case was ultimately decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. Which declined to hear the appeal in the Schiavo case.
I'm not a judge and I'm not a lawyer. Judicial activism? Personally, no I don't think so. More probably bad lawyering on the behalf of the Schindler's attorney.
Congress did not demand injunctive relief for Terri, and would have been in Constitutional Purgatory if they had. Three levels of Federal court ruled against the Schindlers, and I don't believe that was a conspiracy. There must have been something lacking in the case they presented.
However, in toto, most of the discussion we have engaged in has been quite civil and reasoned. Our posts are FAR outweighed by the posts of those trolling this thread alone.
We at least try our darndest to stay calm and rational. Those whose tactics we reject do not. We also make every effort to police our own side and keep it clean. Those on "the other side" accept and applaud the most extreme language possible.
Note: posts responding to YOU have been at least polite, if pointed. Can you say the same for yourself? For the others who have attempted to trash this thread?
No, that's not the point of the thread.
Not at all.
I've read the whole thread. Have you?
On what grounds to you smear every poster on this thread as being "pro-death"? Isn't that a rather serious charge to make without offering any evidence whatsoever?
You really don't get it, do you?
Courts are supposed to rule within the confines of the language in the law, unless it conflicts with the desires of the perpetually discontented. In that case, the courts are supposed to consult hypothetical statements of intent, penumbras, emanations of those penumbras, goat entrails, Aunt Bessie's Ouija Board, and dimpled/hanging/swinging chards until they come to the answer the perpetually discontended demand.
Dang I missed your gem of wisdom.
"Oh really? Why is that? I'd love to hear your explanation. Being lectured by someone who has been here roughly six years fewer than I have is bound to be instructive."
Tenured perfesser - like Ward Churchill - dang agin.
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I'll have a look, Tonk. Thanks for posting.
Common sense did. A Mandate would have been extraneous to the bill. As I said, what you are embracing is Carnes and Hall embracing Senator Levin's threat to block the Senate bill, while ignoring all statments made to the contrary, and Common Snese, and plain reading.
A plain reading of the statue COMPELS a De Novo hearing....Logically followiing from that, the Object of said hearing needs to be alive.
And the Wells analogy is the apt one.
Because it proves that the Majority is not always correct, by virtue of their majority.
Ummm....an out of control judiciary acting on its own whims, outside of established law, and brand new law is Constitutional Purgatory .............
Whittemore agreed that the Schindlers filing did meet the standard of "irreparable injury". That is, however, only one of four criteria for granting temporary injunctive relief.
and the paradigm of textual analysis of the law, mandates a consideration of the Intent, as well as the Legislative History of said law.
This was done. You don't agree with the outcome, but it was done.
And two wrongs don't make a right.
If a chest cracker is a heart surgeon, what's a nut cracker?
Pretty scary, huh?
Pope John Paul is not yet dead...FOX has corrected themselves.
A urologist does vasectomies...does that count?
Don't have Fox, they are saying he is on the brink
Fox reported that he had died, then backtracked. By the time I post this, they may be reporting that he died again.
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