Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
A baby can't feed itself. Nor can an Alzheimer's patient with dementia. Should those two classes of people be legally starvable? Come to think of it, if not for the machinery of modern civilization, and the markets that bring food to the grocer, I wouldn't be able to feed myself, either. I have no farming skills. Without guns I wouldn't be much of a hunter, either. So in the big picture she's no less able to feed herself than most people are. She can eat, and that's all she needs to stay alive. She can also swallow. But she's been forbidden by the court from doing that, too.
If she couldn't feel pain, why is she given morphine? She almost certainly does feel pain. Again here without certainty that she doesn't, respect for life demands an assumption that she does.
The courts have found in the husband's favor, no argument there. The courts also found in Roe's favor, and in favor of Dred Scott's "owner". So it is well established that the courts can, following the established rule of law, come to conclusions that are vile, evil, and/or atrocious. The courts' purpose is to serve justice, otherwise why have courts in the first place? Would the truth in this case have changed at all, had one judge given a different opinion? No, the truth stays the same no matter what any person does. It is a major function of the courts to discover it.
Working from the idea you presented, I would suggest a good place to start might be to examine how our courts determine the truth and find out why it is resulting in patently false findings, and why, where that does happen, there is no possibility of a meaningful review of those findings. The only court in this case which addressed the facts at all was Greer's; all others addressed only appeals on procedural issues. That's one thing that sticks out to me as a glaring problem.
I'm not a lawyer though, and I bet there are some folks around who could find a more solid way to express our ideas in legal terms.
On of the "nurse" who signed an affadavit said that she actually "moved from the bed to a bedpan."
There's plenty of lies on both sides.
Not pleading for Sun Hudson.
Thank God. Let her go to heaven in peace.
I can tell you the difference; two weeks ago a statement like that would have be laughed off FR, with whails of mocking derision, as would have Jesse Jackson. Now we have videos for sale and people posting Rainbow Push's phone number for donations.
there is irony aplenty, making for strange bedfellows on both sides of this.
Terri will be gone in a few hours and it will all be over.
People that feel passionately about this have been grasping at straws. But it's over now. Hopefully, most will accept it with grace.
Did I say otherwise??
I was just pointing out that her father did not say it
Ok .. and thank you for the link
I didn't say you said it was; I was just pointing out that it was a flat out lie, but it was quoted as fact for days.
Nope, not to me.
Dignity/privacy be damned?
This is shameful.
You want to bet? Blood is in the water now; these fanatics out there believe that Keyes and Klayman and Terry are going to lead them to the "promise land," retaking the GOP, and running us "moderates" out.
That was undoubtedly a very difficult decision. I'm sorry for your loss.
BTW, I think that's what Keyes and Klayman and Terry believe, too!
Moved from the bed?
Or moved her body so that a bedpan could be place under her?
BTW, Randall Terry was on KABC this morning and said that the parents approached him a year and a half ago to help them "save Terri". Not that we necessarily should believe him. He said they gave him "carte blanche" ... to "do anything". Apparently he is ... regardless of the truth.
Thanks.
Well, I'm not getting in bed with Keyes, Klayman, or Terry, period. If they are the heads of this movement, a lot of people aren't going to support it.
She said she was able to move from the bed onto a bedpan.
I think it is notable also when people cite the 4 minute video or Terry "responding" (like watching a balloon). That 4 minute snippet was out of HOURS of filming Terri. They took any moment that favored them and compiled it into a very misleading video.
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