Pretty please?
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Posted on 03/24/2005 2:10:42 PM PST by Truth666
It's obvious that the martyrdom of Terri Schiavo is a satanic ritual. It's supposed to culminate tomorrow, day Jesus Christ died.
I'm sure many of you also have understood it. Instead of continuing listing the details, I will let you do it yourselves.
Better not. It will be ZOT time.
between this and what we used to get from the immigration threads....
when JimRob got rid of a few bad apples, it was ok...but this is unbelievable. I would take any 5 of the immigration threads to any one of these....
You know, when one goes to a hospice, the plan is death, whether or not you like it...I just dont understand why Terri Shiavo is in a hospice, rather than a nursing home...the goal of a hospice is to offer comfort and respite to those who are dying...and most hospice organizations, need to have some sort of medical documentation, that the patient is indeed terminal, and a lot of hospices that, hard as this sounds, want some assurance, that death is expected within six months...
A Hospice is not a long term care facility...nursing homes are long term care facilities...I, myself, have taken care of some young patients, who are in vegetative states, one gal for more than 20yrs ...and we give her excellent care..she has no bedsores, she is fed through a tube, she is turned every two hours, she is changed whenever she needs to be, she is given love and respect and great care, whenever she needs it...and given whatever therapy she can seem to tolerate...
By definition, if one is in a hospice, they are there to die...and within a relatively short period of time...Terri should have been in a different sort of facility...I know this sounds hard, but its the truth...
well good luck on your travels. Bahrain is the place to be: either there, Kuwait or Dubai.....
its a damned sight better than Baghdad is!! :)
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mote -> more
Spell check and proofread dammit!
Yo, Howlin, I hear you are putting together the Wild Turkey ping list for what few of us claim to be sane around here. If you can put up with me drinking Yuengling Porter rather than the hard stuff, please count me in!
FReegards!
You're on it already!
Yes, I am that good. :-)
Thanks for the ping. Can you give me the cliffs notes version?
A couple of things bother me (ok, more, but here's a few that keep popping into my mind!).
MS tells the court he wants to be a nurse to care for Terri for the rest of her life which is estimated by his lawyers as 30 to 40 years longer. This is at the lawsuit trial and the financial settlement is based on her expected life span. It was after this trial that MS goes to court to file the first appeal to end her life.
The observation has been made that Terri's biological family would keep her alive, using all kinds of gruesome questions/scenerios posed to them by the court. Of course, if you read the whole thing, you pick up that MS's attorneys had voiced concern that if the Schindler's were made guardians they would get control of the remaining award money used for Terri's upkeep and who could say that then they would have her feeding tube removed? So, the Schindler's erred on the side of excess to show they did not want their daughter dead... but they went too far. Bad lawyers, innocent people trying to keep their daughter alive at all cost (as I myself would do).
Anyhow, to be informed, please read Dr. Cheshire's medical report... he recently spent ten hours examining Terri Schiavo. It's eye-opening and heartbreaking - especially when you know the subject of his exam will shortly be dead of starvation and dehydration. He has no compunction about removing feeding tubes from PVS patients and in fact held that opinion about Terri, based on reading medical reports - that is, until he examined her. Shortish read, again, eye opening.
Statement of Dr. William Cheshire on Theresa Marie Schiavo
Regardless of the family personalities, this woman doesn't deserve the death sentence she has been handed. Some things are just plain wrong, and this is one of them.
Howlin directed me to your post #60.
I'm glad she did.
Thank you so much for having your "about page" list all the documents..it was a great help.
Within the span of days FR has gone cuckoo again.
You're on!
And I'm off for a bit... getting zotted to bed for a while. lol
Back in a few. : )
Well, if you read #60 you probably know as much as I do, but basically we're using this thread to discuss the news among ourselves.
Hard to believe, with this title. : ) Maybe we hit rock bottom. LOL
A couple of things about MS.
1. In 1993, Terri's doctors recommended to Michael that he remove the tube. This is done all the time in this nation in nursing homes, rehab clinics and hospitals.
He didn't want to do that because he thought it was cruel. He then saw his parents go through it a few years later and so he did something he didn't have to do. (And it wasn't right after he received the insurance settlement by the way. I think it was five years later).
But still he didn't want to be the final arbiter of this and went to the court and asked THEM to make the determination. The Courts noted in their decision he didn't have to do this and effectively weakened his own position by doing so. (I have the exact words in the link to the court decision).
2. During the first 3 years of Terri's PVS status, no one argues that she wasn't given the most rigorous therapy. Everything that could be done, was done. He even had electrodes implanted in her brain in an effort to stimulate her brain activity. In the early 90's, the electrodes used make her ineligible to have an MRI. They use different kinds now and there has been some suggestion that doctors recommended those electrodes be removed, although no freper has ever been able to provide me with a link to that.
#3. In the early 90's, MS sued the hospital for malpractice. Terri presented at the hospital with cardiac arrest as the result of being bulimic. The hospital didn't pick up on that and didn't treat her appropriately which in part resulted in her PVS. MS was given $300,000 for loss of consortium; the rest went to Terri's care and is controlled by the court (I think). Mr. Schindler thought he was entitled to some of that $$ and they argued over the $$.
#4. Previous to that, MS and the Schindlers had gotten along fabulously. Schindlers considered him like a son and said they couldn't get through it without him. Then came the $$ problem.
The Wolfson Report is considered the most thorough history of this matter. It's 35-40 pages, IIRC. And both sides really liked this guy.
http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/wolfson%27s%20report.pdf
nah I wasnt lurking yet back then....
I didnt even have a computer at home and I couldnt surf at work....
Actually, he spent less than 90 minutes standing in her room, watching her from across the room; he never touched her or examined her.
The rest was the six hours of 4 year old videotapes.
And not one other doctor agrees with him.
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