Posted on 03/24/2005 2:10:42 PM PST by Truth666
It's obvious that the martyrdom of Terri Schiavo is a satanic ritual. It's supposed to culminate tomorrow, day Jesus Christ died.
I'm sure many of you also have understood it. Instead of continuing listing the details, I will let you do it yourselves.
Can you provide proof for your statement regarding the USCCB?
Here's the latest statement from one of their officials in op-ed form:
WASHINGTON (March 24, 2005)—In an op-ed today in Newsday, Cathy Cleaver Ruse, Esq., Director of Planning and Information for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Secretariat for Pro-Life Activities, argued that, as long as food and water provide nourishment and comfort, we should see them as part of what we owe to all people who are helpless and in our care.
The Newsday op-ed follows.
Terri Schiavo is at the heart of a human tragedy being played out in our nation, and watched by the world.
Her husband wants to remove her feeding tube, saying this is her wish, while her parents and siblings vigorously disagree that she would have wanted to die. Since last Friday, Schiavo has faced each new day without food or water, by order of a Florida State judge.
"Complex" seems to be the latest watchword in her case. But some things are simple and clear. Terri Schiavo is a woman living with severe disabilities. She is not comatose or "brain dead." She is not terminally ill or dying: Her heart beats on its own and her lungs work without assistance. The thing with Schiavo is that she cannot feed herself without assistance - but then again, neither could Christopher Reeve.
A terribly misleading ABC News Poll, repeated in news reports ad nauseam, says that 63 percent of Americans want Schiavo's feeding tube removed. The poll says she's "on life support," which is not true, and that she has "no consciousness," which her family and dozens of doctors dispute in sworn affidavits. The poll also says the family disagreement is whether she would have wanted to "be kept alive." But Schiavo is not dying - or wasn't, while she was being fed. So the question isn't whether she should be "kept alive" or "allowed to die," but whether to stop feeding her, in which case she will die. By most accounts, death by starvation and dehydration is a painful, even gruesome death. That's why we don't starve convicted criminals to death, or animals either.
Michael Schiavo says she would have wanted to die this way, but what is the proof? Only his claim that Terri told him once that she would not want to live on anything artificial, a claim his family members support. Years before, in the medical malpractice suit he filed after she became disabled, he claimed that she would have a long life and would need expensive rehabilitative care, and that he would provide this care as long as he lived.
Many are asking why it took six years for him to remember that dying was actually his wife's wish. Others ask whether a disaffected husband with dubious motives should be granted absolute control over his wife's fate. It's a good question, one that was not explored in the original trial, but could be explored in a new trial - if Schiavo does not die first.
And that is why Congress acted.
Congress passed and President George W. Bush signed a bill giving Schiavo's parents the right to be heard in federal court on the question of whether their daughter's legal rights have been violated. The Constitution guarantees all persons the right to equal protection and due process of law, Congress argued; without access to a federal appeal, which death-row inmates have every day, Terri Schiavo was being denied both.
All this effort may be tragically moot. On Tuesday a federal district judge denied the petition to reinsert Terri's feeding tube while a new trial could proceed, and yesterday the federal appeals court agreed. The final recourse for Schiavo's parents will be to the Supreme Court.
Schiavo cannot speak on her own behalf. She is totally defenseless and dependent on others, but she retains every ounce of her human dignity and deserves respect and care. Her plight dramatizes one of the most critical questions we face: To be a truly human society, how should we care for those who cannot care for themselves? Ultimately what happens to Terri Schiavo will say more about us than it does about her.
A year ago Pope John Paul II answered this question by reaffirming that "the administration of food and water, even when provided by artificial means, always represents a natural means of preserving life, not a medical act." He said such feeding should be considered "morally obligatory" as long as it provides nourishment and alleviation of suffering.
In other words, as long as food and water provide nourishment and comfort, we should see them as part of what we owe to all people who are helpless and in our care.
Terri Schiavo's parents see it this way, and are begging for the chance to take care of their daughter. Congress and the president were right to do what they could to give them that chance.
Email us at commdept@usccb.orgOffice of Media Relations | 3211 4th Street, N.E., Washington DC 20017-1194 | (202) 541-3000 © USCCB. All rights reserved.
Thanks.
The entire report is posted on this thread. But I was going to post it to an entirely new thread, all by itself.
But I see that it's already been posted in a shorter version. Wouldn't want to tax freeper's brains to actually sit and read and digest, doncha know. LOL
I don't have any less respect for any poster on this or any other thread.
BUT I get tired of hearing "your wrong"
By your reasoning over 1/2 of FR is wrong also.
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=89
The Wolfson Report states the following; see last line:
The current, generally accepted applications to terminal illness or persistent vegetative state define artificial feeding as artificial life support that may be withheld or withdrawn. In 1989, the Florida Legislature permitted the withdrawal of artificial nutrition and hydration under very specific circumstances. In 1999, following extensive bipartisan efforts, life-prolonging procedures were redefined as "any medical procedure, treatment, or intervention, including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores, or supplants a spontaneous vital function." It is noteworthy that the general principle of artificial nutrition as artificial life support that may be removed in terminal and even vegetative state conditions is reflected in nearly all state's laws and within the guidelines of end of life care enunciated by the American Conference of Catholic Bishops and other religious denominations.
I agree. Did you see this from the report? I have to laugh when I see freepers say it's a conspiracy and biased. Look at who Wolfson (one of four guardian ad litems) interviewed, met with and reviewed:
All court records were accessed and reviewed, including all items of evidence in the case. Extensive discussions were held with family members and caregivers along with the acquisition and review of background data and information from the case file to assist the Guardian Ad Litem in becoming as personally acquainted with his ward, Theresa Schiavo as possible, in the short time available. The Guardian Ad Litem has made numerous and frequent visits to Theresa at the hospice where she resides, including an arranged visit with her parents to observe interactions. The Guardian ad Litem has met with and discussed aspects of Theresa's case with hospice staff, physician cardiologists, gastroenterologists, internists, neurologists, neurosurgeons, trauma specialists, anesthesiologists, swallowing disorder specialists; speech pathologists specializing in rehabilitation, swallowing tests and swallowing therapy; and with clergy, elder law specialists, bioethicists, and health policy specialists. In addition to reading the nearly 30,000 pages of court records, the Guardian Ad Litem has conducted a review of the medical literature and has received thousands of unsolicited documents, sources of referral, claims regarding successful interventions, and wishes of good luck. Governor Bush, to whom this report is directed, requested a meeting with the Guardian Ad Litem to discuss the charge. The Guardian Ad Litem met with the Governor, his General Counsel and private external counsel to review the Guardian Ad Litem's plan and direction. The meeting was valuable in establishing the expanded trust among the parties that the Guardian Ad Litem has sought to cultivate from the inception if his appointment.
Gee, what a shock...the wingnuts gave 'em all the ammo they need.
After this is all over, I'm betting there's going to be more than one FReeper who's going to regret a post or two or ten. It'll be like waking up after an all-weekend party in Vegas.
You mean like the post that said "It's the end of the free world as we know it."
Except sadly, "What happens on FR doesn't STAY on FR".
It's all over, and there is some REALLY deplorable behavior on both sides of the isssue.
I'll show the "worst" in FR.
EM alerted me.
It wins the "prize."
Do you want to freepmail it to us?
It's possible that it's not. Who knows if either side wants to be objective any more? Everyone is so adamant in their opinions. What's definite is that this event, while tragic, has lost all sense of proportion. It's may as well be the one instance of evil on the planet these days.
Genocide in the Sudan, anyone? The word genocide is so big you can't wrap your head around it. But a national life and death tabloid drama, complete with court battles, medical drama, police barricades and cameo appearances by Congress and the President? You couldn't script it better if you tried.
Now, I'm concerned about this case, because of the legal and moral aspects of it. There are some underlying issues that we as a society really do need to work out in greater detail. Still, the tunnel vision amazes me. Of all the evils in the world to rise up against, what a banner to rally under!
Well, the hubby is hissing at me...we have a few things to get done today, and he is ready for me to get off the computer, so we can do our chores together(how very gruesome)before college basketball begins...
He will watch sports, and I will clean house...
Its not fair, I tell ya, Its not fair...
Anyway, to all those on this thread, whether we agree or not, have a happy and safe Easter...love your family, love your friends, delight in being with them, for as we have seen from these threads, life is short...enjoy your time with those you cherish...
I have.
People have really let their emotions overrun their minds. Once the party's over, begineth the hangovers...
At least when I go on a bender, I make sure It's what I WANT to do. That, and that I have bail money, a sharp knife, and a motel room to pass out in.
I've slept on enough beaches.
Thanks for getting us started here. It's the same in my house but I'm grateful it's March Madness (in more ways than one) because it's keeping Mr. Peach busy.
LOL!
The voice of experience? LOL!
Here is the link to the USCCB web site that contains an definitive analysis of the issue of artificial nutrition and it speaks directly to the issue of "PVS".
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/euthanas/nutqa.htm
It is dated 1991.
In a nutshell, it states that the Catholic Church is against withdrawal of nutrition and hydration if the patient is not terminal and it is intended to directly cause the patient's death. Thus, there is no support for what is being done to Terri Schiavo by the Catholic Church.
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