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To: silverleaf

And crude petroleum is dinosaur soup. Well, not really, but it is only recently that the whole cycle of organic materials has been mapped out, and while all the building blocks were in place when the earth cooled, how were the first proteins created? Recall that the major constituents of any primitive atmosphere were carbon dioxide, ammonia, methane and water as vapor and liquid. By combination, and by repeated pressure and heat, there are various compounds formed by these scattered and random molecules, primarily ammonium carbonate, composed of a molecule of water, a molecule of carbon dioxide, and two molecules of ammonia, forming a white solid, that under heat and pressure, proceeds to form another solid of stable nature called urea, a precursor of most proteins. With the presence of methane and additional water, the first of a series of free protein molecules, better known as amino acids, which have an odd chemical property of being both acidic and basic, begin to link up end to end to form more and more complex proteins. But at what point, does this collection of proteins become self-replicating and take on the first characteristic of life? Something about this has to be WAY more than just random.


81 posted on 03/20/2005 1:06:09 PM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: alloysteel
But at what point, does this collection of proteins become self-replicating and take on the first characteristic of life? Something about this has to be WAY more than just random.

"When you have ruled out the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, is the truth."

The key is deciding what is impossible. There is either

A. preexistent or eternally existent time/space/matter/life

Or

B.preexistent or eternally existent and transcendent intellect

Which do you choose, and why?

That is the ENTIRE foundation for both evolution AND creation.

87 posted on 03/20/2005 1:11:32 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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You ought to get a soap box and go position yourself in front of the Smithsonian! Cheers!


140 posted on 03/20/2005 2:17:15 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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