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To: alloysteel
But at what point, does this collection of proteins become self-replicating and take on the first characteristic of life? Something about this has to be WAY more than just random.

"When you have ruled out the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, is the truth."

The key is deciding what is impossible. There is either

A. preexistent or eternally existent time/space/matter/life

Or

B.preexistent or eternally existent and transcendent intellect

Which do you choose, and why?

That is the ENTIRE foundation for both evolution AND creation.

87 posted on 03/20/2005 1:11:32 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Terriergal
"But at what point, does this collection of proteins become self-replicating and take on the first characteristic of life? Something about this has to be WAY more than just random."

Define 'life'. Just so you know, evolution is separate from abiogenesis and is in now way considered to have occurred randomly. There is a difference between random occurrences and probabilistic occurrences.

"When you have ruled out the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, is the truth."

The key is deciding what is impossible. There is either

A. preexistent or eternally existent time/space/matter/life

What exactly do you mean by preexistent?

Or

B.preexistent or eternally existent and transcendent intellect

This is known as a 'false dilemma' in logic and considered an ineffectual argument. There is also the possibility that time/space/matter/life are the result of a singularity. Or a recurring cyclic phenomena (although this is growing less likely as we gain new information). It could be that there are multiple universes. Or that each universe gives birth to multiple other universes.

Please don't resort to the assertion that it is all speculation or unbelievable. Argument from incredulity is no more an argument than is a false dilemma. Nor are they harder to accept than the existence of a God.

Which do you choose, and why?

That is the ENTIRE foundation for both evolution AND creation.

This may be the entire extent of your knowledge of evolution, it is not the entire extent of the science of evolution.

199 posted on 03/21/2005 12:02:55 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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