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To: Terriergal
[Please state which portions of the mountains of evidence for evolution]

Oh pullease. I have been through this so many times I am tired of it.

If that's really true, then feel free to stop picking fights by making slanderous accusations.

You're like a sniper wants to take potshots, but when someone lobs a round back in your direction, you say, "oh, please, I'm so *tired* of conflict..."

You have access to the same stuff I have, yet you come to the opposite conclusion.

Because I actually *look* at it, instead of ignoring it as you do despite such "access" and making it up as you go along. I remember the "retina" thread where you ridiculed my accurate description of the retina's structure, and thought you had scored "points" with taunts to the effect that if the retina was so simple structurally, why couldn't I make one -- demonstrating your total ignorance of the fact that "silicon retinas" have been routinely constructed for years now, and even used in several commercial products (such as the M64282FP chip, used as the optical element in the optional camera for the Nintendo Gameboy, among other products, for pete's sake).

Even evolutionists are steering away from it,

There you go, just making things up again. Sure, a very small handful of self-proclaimed "former evolutionsists" now speak against it, but that's hardly the sort of mass exodus you're trying to imply here -- and overlooks the larger number of folks "converting" in the opposite direction.

and immediately get tarred and feathered for being intellectually honest.

Horse manure.

If you can't see that happening, you're incapable of honest debate.

I'm quite capable of honest debate, which is why I don't fall for the dishonesties and half-truths of the creationist lobby. I actually research their claims, and the vast majority of the time I find them either incompetently false, or shockingly dishonest. That sort of behavior gives good conservatives and good Christians a bad name.

36 posted on 03/20/2005 12:36:17 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
Two points:

First, some scientists who change their minds on evolution/creationism may "stay in the closet," (to borrow a phrase) about their change of belief, only because of fear of reprisal, intimidation, etc. at their workplaces. I don't know anyone like this, but I know others in other fields who experience the same pressures when they leave the "philosophical reservation" so it is only common sense that it would happen in the scientific community also.

Second, now it sounds like you're just making things up. You're claiming that a "larger number of folks 'converting'" toward evolution. Name 5-and give source materials as proof.

122 posted on 03/20/2005 1:43:19 PM PST by Prov3456
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