StayTrue: You are implying racial quotas on immigration and/or racial quotas on births by citizens. This thread is about maintaining civility. I must say that the logical conclusion to this comment is that your comment smacks of racism. Whites have been the majority in the US for a long time. As the majority, whites have made mistakes in the past by not treating others as equals (slavery, jim crow laws, extermitating the indians, japanese internment, etc.). You and a whole bunch of others are afraid of what will happen when whites are in the minority. You are afraid that others may do unto you what you have done onto them. Seriously, I don't think there will be "payback". US society is evolving past that.
This post by staytrue advocates what many here advocate but unlike staytrue lack the balls to say. They want the predominate culture here to become a minority. Sounds like Ward Churchill.
Now why am I a racist to oppose that while they are not a racist to support it?
This sort of PC drivel is encouraged on a conservative forum including bashing whites for all our "mistakes" in creating the best country on earth.
The only logical conclusion I can draw (to quote) is that the foxes are now running the henhouse here.
BTW: just for your info stayfool, I have done my own personal contributing to the dilution of the mistake making white majority here by your reverse-racism parameters....twice in fact....how racist of me..maybe you'd care to ask my daughters how they feel about their daddy pendejo.
Was that civil enough?...Spanish....you can speak it can't you Mr Multicultural....I can and Portugese and Italian too....how racist of me to be quad-lingual...completely closed to cultural notions I am, viado.
PS: If you don't think there is ever payback then you don't pay much attention. My hometown is living payback for "white mistakes" and they are running it in the ground. Guess I'm a racist to point that out...but wait...it's not their fault it's whites fault. They made them incompetent and corrupt. Hell, whitey is responsible for everything...."he" is the only capable soul around. All the other groups by your measure shouldn't be expected to live up to the standards you desire of the evil white man.
That sounds like you don't think anyone is as capable as whites. So are you guilty of paternalistic passive racism towards minorities (like my daughters) and reverse racism towards whites like me? Sure "smacks" like it homeo. BTW...my use of the word from "anywhere" must have gone right over your pointed head in your zeal to go racist and preen for your congregation.
Some awful good points there.
True --- some are content with nothing less than the USA becoming another Latin American country. Failed cultures have a right to come here and make it a clone of one of their own countries --- simply because the effort to fix their homelands is too much to accomplish.
The race card is a tool of the idiot socialist.......illegal, crime and terrorism is NOT a race issue yet those that defend such still try and glue the term racists against those who don't comply with their personal agenda.
Good post Wardaddy.....well said !
This sort of PC drivel is encouraged on a conservative forum including bashing whites for all our 'mistakes' in creating the best country on earth.
The only logical conclusion I can draw (to quote) is that the foxes are now running the henhouse here. "
Quoting the audio transmission of the US Fighter pilot video scoring a direct hit on Iraqi terrorists:
"Oh, Dude!"
That is an excellent post --- sums it up quite well. Destroy evil American culture and language.
"I am not in favor of a dramatic change in the demographics of this nation from ANYWHERE"
"Anywhere" being the operative word.
"Now why am I a racist to oppose that while they are not a racist to support it?"
THAT is a very good question.
Very good points in your post, wardaddy.
"Now why am I a racist to oppose that while they are not a racist to support it?"
Racism charges have to be omitted from the debate.
This country must control its borders. How is THAT racist? I am not buying the racism charge, because the illegal border crossers are primarily from Mexico.
I don't want an influx from ANY single country.
The most active cheerleaders on this topic have flatly stated that any considerations of "Borders, Language, Culture" is an indication of Racism and Xenophobia and knuckledragging Neandthal thinking.
They have also flatly stated that they are comfortable with the government redistributing wealth from areas of the country not yet impacted by illegals to areas of the country that are, to cover social costs. In other words, the government growing and gaining powers from its own failures.
They actively advocate for increased immigration, illegal or otherwise, as a "solution" to the impending Social Security issues. In other words, the US, like Europe, needs tons of fresh new outsiders to prop up its own crippled social programs, and this is a good thing.
They welcome advocacy with regards to Hispanic groups such as La Raza and Mecha and MALDEF, and disdain advocacy such as F.A.I.R., even though F.A.I.R. is not ethno-centric in its concerns.
They are perfectly happy to consider any idea of a dominate culture in America being over-ruled or over-run by another culture. For them, culture = race, and any mention of maintaining "American" culture is inherently racist.
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BTT, wardaddy!
I'm with you, bro. I get tired of hearing people say that all efforts to control immigration are motivated by white racism and white racism ONLY. That is just garbage. Sure, there are some Neo-Nazi Stormfront crackpots out there who would love nothing more than to shut the doors to this country and keep minorities in a permanent state of dhimmitude, but they do not represent the millions of Americans who feel threatened by illegal immigration and who desire a more orderly system for immigration.
There are a gazillion non-discriminatory reasons to desire stricter immigration controls. Furthermore, if white racism is to blame then how did America or Canada or England for that matter ever become so receptive to immigrants in the first place? After all, we (meaning these originally Anglo-Saxon nations and cultures) were a lot whiter and undeniably more racist in the past than we are today.
Like you, this is an issue that is close to my heart. I used to be an full-on 'melting pot' idealist about immigration. I used to be a fervent believer in the libertarian/WSJ editorial board theory of immigration. I saw it as a practically unlimited good, economically and culturally.
But then two things happened...
One was 9/11, and the other was taking immigration law in law school (which incidentally, I took prior to 9/11). The first event speaks for itself, but the other requires some explanation.
By taking immigration law, I learned what our laws are really like and how the system really works...not some pie-in-the sky idealistic fantasy or some splinter-thin view of immigration like the WSJ editorial board takes (considering it only from the point of view of chicken-plant operators and hoteliers). My professor was an ALJ inside the INS, now USCIS, who believed strongly in immigrants' rights, but unlike many "enlightened" Americans who whine about the smallest attempts to restraint illegal immigration, he believed _all_ immigrants should be treated equally under the law (that's not a bad attribute for a judge, mind you).
Because of his commitment to this fundamental principle of justice, he didn't support "amnesties" or "guest worker programs" b/c he felt they benefitted only ONE group of aliens--Mexicans--to the exclusion of all others. One of the best comments he ever made in class was, "Imagine you were the family member of a U.S. Citizen who had been waiting for a family preference immigrant visa in Manila for the past 12 years. How would you feel if 1 million Mexican illegals were granted amnesty tomorrow?" Of course, the answer is you'd feel like the U.S. vaunted committment to abstract ideals like equality before the law was only so much window dressing.
That is something most people either do not understand or refuse to understand (hell, for 26 years of my life, I didn't get it!), but rewarding illegal aliens punishes the immigrants who obey the law. And, truth be told most people who wish to immigrate to the U.S. and many who hail from countries a 1000x worse off than Mexico are forced to follow the rules in order to get here and stay here. BTW, as an aside, I would love for somebody to explain to me how wanting to see Filipinos and Mexicans treated equally smacks of "white racism."
Just a note for anyone who wants to brand me some sort of extremist, I have done pro bono work for (gasp!) illegal aliens mainly through the Catholic Church, and I am certain I will do more in the future. I have helped illegals and others whose visas have expired apply for stateside adjustment of status. I speak Spanish, and I am working on an H1B1 visa renewal for (gasp again, protectionists and nativists!) an Indian engineer right now.
Just for the record, I still consider myself to be pro-immigration, with the provisos that the immigration to the U.S ought to be accomplished by legal means rather than subterfuge and that it should be managed with an eye towards our collective security. Is that so wrong?