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To: Gerard.P; BlackElk
You can't point to an error for the SSPX to recant to.

Only one counts: the deliberate disobedience exercised by MarcelMouse in his "ordination" of 4 Bishops against the express written orders of the Pope.

All the rest of your arguments w/BE are the usual strawmen, dross, and typical Luther/Zwingli/Marcellian "I AM the Interpreter of Scripture/I AM the interpreter of Tradition/I AM the repository of Authority."

At some point in time, it will occur to you and other MarcelMouse adherents that the above arguments are joined at the hip with "Non Serviam," the "argument" made by Lucifer on his way out.

And 'out' is the operative word here...

392 posted on 01/29/2005 6:12:44 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
You can't point to an error for the SSPX to recant to.

Only one counts: the deliberate disobedience exercised by MarcelMouse in his "ordination" of 4 Bishops against the express written orders of the Pope.

As you know, obedience is not the highest law of the Church it is subordinate to Justice. And actually, if you read the documents, the Pope never made an explicit order. He was given an erroneous warning that LeFebvre would excommunicate himself if he ordained and didn't let the Vatican continue to lie to him and outwait him to death.

All the rest of your arguments w/BE are the usual strawmen, dross, and typical Luther/Zwingli/Marcellian "I AM the Interpreter of Scripture/I AM the interpreter of Tradition/I AM the repository of Authority."

Nonsense. And I do mean Non-SENSE. The Protestant comparison doesn't hold water. It's just a fallacious attempt to make an incorrect association. You know that and you also must know that JPII's own Code of Canon Law in black and white exculpates LeFebvre. JPII ignored his own laws. That is the fact. Just because it's inconvenient doesn't allow JPII to suspend it, or natural law or common sense or the virtue of justice.

JPII has done the equivalent of going to a bald man and telling him he must get a haircut. And then he excomminicates him for not getting a haircut.

At some point in time, it will occur to you and other MarcelMouse adherents that the above arguments are joined at the hip with "Non Serviam," the "argument" made by Lucifer on his way out.

The problem with neos is that, you cannot prove statements like the above. It's just a bunch of dramatic phrases picked up from EWTN or Envoy that mean nothing logically.

You can't disprove that JPII and the whole Vatican II apparatus are objectively working at the destruction of the Church. If anybody is not serving it's been the lousy post conciliar Popes. The evidence is overwhelming the fruit is rotten for all to see yet the conciliarists continue confusing obedience with servility and they aid in the dismantling of the Church. 2+2=5 or 4 or a million if the Pope says it according to the conciliar mindset.

And 'out' is the operative word here...

Seems like you've been led "out" of the Church with these new doctrines of papal impeccability and papal irresistibility. You've just gone the opposite road of the Othodox who deny papal power. You've extended it beyond all it's boundaries.

401 posted on 01/29/2005 9:17:01 AM PST by Gerard.P (If you've lost your faith, you don't know you've lost it. ---Fr. Malachi Martin R.I.P.)
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