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To: ninenot
You can't point to an error for the SSPX to recant to.

Only one counts: the deliberate disobedience exercised by MarcelMouse in his "ordination" of 4 Bishops against the express written orders of the Pope.

As you know, obedience is not the highest law of the Church it is subordinate to Justice. And actually, if you read the documents, the Pope never made an explicit order. He was given an erroneous warning that LeFebvre would excommunicate himself if he ordained and didn't let the Vatican continue to lie to him and outwait him to death.

All the rest of your arguments w/BE are the usual strawmen, dross, and typical Luther/Zwingli/Marcellian "I AM the Interpreter of Scripture/I AM the interpreter of Tradition/I AM the repository of Authority."

Nonsense. And I do mean Non-SENSE. The Protestant comparison doesn't hold water. It's just a fallacious attempt to make an incorrect association. You know that and you also must know that JPII's own Code of Canon Law in black and white exculpates LeFebvre. JPII ignored his own laws. That is the fact. Just because it's inconvenient doesn't allow JPII to suspend it, or natural law or common sense or the virtue of justice.

JPII has done the equivalent of going to a bald man and telling him he must get a haircut. And then he excomminicates him for not getting a haircut.

At some point in time, it will occur to you and other MarcelMouse adherents that the above arguments are joined at the hip with "Non Serviam," the "argument" made by Lucifer on his way out.

The problem with neos is that, you cannot prove statements like the above. It's just a bunch of dramatic phrases picked up from EWTN or Envoy that mean nothing logically.

You can't disprove that JPII and the whole Vatican II apparatus are objectively working at the destruction of the Church. If anybody is not serving it's been the lousy post conciliar Popes. The evidence is overwhelming the fruit is rotten for all to see yet the conciliarists continue confusing obedience with servility and they aid in the dismantling of the Church. 2+2=5 or 4 or a million if the Pope says it according to the conciliar mindset.

And 'out' is the operative word here...

Seems like you've been led "out" of the Church with these new doctrines of papal impeccability and papal irresistibility. You've just gone the opposite road of the Othodox who deny papal power. You've extended it beyond all it's boundaries.

401 posted on 01/29/2005 9:17:01 AM PST by Gerard.P (If you've lost your faith, you don't know you've lost it. ---Fr. Malachi Martin R.I.P.)
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To: Gerard.P
He was given an erroneous warning that LeFebvre would excommunicate himself if he ordained and didn't let the Vatican continue to lie to him and outwait him to death.

Msgr. Lefebvre, in his letter to the Pope before the consecrations, explained that he was not satisfied with the one bishop that he was "assured" he would receive. PS: Where in JPII's letter to Msgr Lefebvre does he say that Msgr. Lefebvre needed to "let the Vatican continue to lie to him and outwait him to death"?

Regarding the second point, the Holy Father confirms what I had already indicated to you on his behalf, namely that he is disposed to appoint a member of the [SSPX] as a bishop (in the sense of point II/5.2 of the Protocol), and to accelerate the usual process of nomination, so that the consecration could take place on the closing of the Marian Year, this coming August 15. (Cardinal Ratzinger, Letter to Msgr. Lefebvre on May 30, 1988)

That is why we are asking for several bishops chosen from within the Catholic Tradition, and for a majority of the members on the projected Roman Commission for Tradition, in order to protect ourselves against all compromise ... we shall give ourselves the means to carry on the work which Providence has entrusted to us, being assured by His Eminence Cardinal Ratzinger's letter of May 30th, that the episcopal consecration is not contrary to the will of the Holy See, since it was granted for August 15th. (Msgr. Lefebvre, Letter to John Paul II on June 2, 1988)

JPII's own Code of Canon Law in black and white exculpates LeFebvre. JPII ignored his own laws.

Those laws were considered and deemed non-applicable before the Decree of Excommunication was issued. The CIC never grants permission for episcopal ordinations against the will of the Roman Pontiff - and indeed it never could, since they are schismatic and contrary to Divine Law.

405 posted on 01/29/2005 4:44:50 PM PST by gbcdoj ("The Pope orders, the cardinals do not obey, and the people do as they please" - Benedict XIV)
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