Nothing's ever good enough for you trads, it seems. The fact is that the Vatican does not support as an ideal the separation of Church and State. You guys can say that all you want, but it just isn't true.
We don't do that anymore. Nice lip service text... too bad the actions aren't there to back it up.
Talk all you want, but they are.
Christian spirit? This ambiguous word can mean just about anything anyone wants it to.
Do you also condemn all the preconciliar Magisterial documents which use the term "Christian spirit"? Pius XII says (Allocution on Oct. 5, 1957):
History shows that from the Church's earliest days laymen have taken part in the activity which the priest carries out in the service of the Church, and today more than ever they must cooperate with greater and greater fervor "for building up the Body of Christ" (Ephesians 4 :12) in all forms of the apostolate, especially by making the Christian spirit penetrate all family, social, economic, and political life.
No, this isn't anything close to a reaffirmation of the Catholic doctrine
Certainly it is - and the citations to Immortale Dei and Quas Primas prove it.
That's correct. Nothing short of the up-front, accurate, no-holds-barred reiteration of Catholic dogma is good enough.
Guilty as charged.
And if you're not a trad, you should be. Get that way.
"The fact is that the Vatican does not support as an ideal the separation of Church and State. You guys can say that all you want, but it just isn't true."
On the books, and for show, ambiguously and mealmouthed, specifically tailored so as to be a means of being held harmless? Right. But in practice, it ain't happening.
"Do you also condemn all the preconciliar Magisterial documents which use the term "Christian spirit"? Pius XII says (Allocution on Oct. 5, 1957):
History shows that from the Church's earliest days laymen have taken part in the activity which the priest carries out in the service of the Church, and today more than ever they must cooperate with greater and greater fervor "for building up the Body of Christ" (Ephesians 4 :12) in all forms of the apostolate, especially by making the Christian spirit penetrate all family, social, economic, and political life."
No. But I'm sure you'll work hard to make it look like I do.
The quoted text was weak. It doesn't really want to tell the truth.
The truth is this: the Catholic Church is supposed to govern all human society.
As a traditional Catholic who is not blinded to where authority lies, keep up the good work. Your witness here is sorely needed and is in complete harmony with truth and unity.