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To: gbcdoj
"Nothing's ever good enough for you trads, it seems."

That's correct. Nothing short of the up-front, accurate, no-holds-barred reiteration of Catholic dogma is good enough.

Guilty as charged.

And if you're not a trad, you should be. Get that way.

"The fact is that the Vatican does not support as an ideal the separation of Church and State. You guys can say that all you want, but it just isn't true."

On the books, and for show, ambiguously and mealmouthed, specifically tailored so as to be a means of being held harmless? Right. But in practice, it ain't happening.

"Do you also condemn all the preconciliar Magisterial documents which use the term "Christian spirit"? Pius XII says (Allocution on Oct. 5, 1957):

History shows that from the Church's earliest days laymen have taken part in the activity which the priest carries out in the service of the Church, and today more than ever they must cooperate with greater and greater fervor "for building up the Body of Christ" (Ephesians 4 :12) in all forms of the apostolate, especially by making the Christian spirit penetrate all family, social, economic, and political life."

No. But I'm sure you'll work hard to make it look like I do.

The quoted text was weak. It doesn't really want to tell the truth.

The truth is this: the Catholic Church is supposed to govern all human society.

30 posted on 01/25/2005 6:05:46 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: pascendi
The truth is this: the Catholic Church is supposed to govern all human society.

We tried that already, it was called the Dark Ages.
33 posted on 01/25/2005 6:10:41 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: pascendi
On the books, and for show,
The State, out of regard for the traditional Catholic sentiment of the Colombian nation, considers the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman religion as a fundamental element of the common good, and of the integral development of the national community. (1975 Concordat with Colombia, art. 1)

In the name of the Most Holy Trinity ... The Catholic, Apostolic, Roman religion continues to be the religion of the Dominican Nation and will enjoy the rights and prerogatives which pertain to it in conformity with Divine Law and Canon Law. (unrevoked Concordat with the Dominican Republic, art. 1)

According to Fr. Harrison:

John Courtney Murray: A Reliable Interpreter of Dignitatis Humanae?

And in the case of both Colombia and the Dominican Republic this national recognition of Catholicism further contravenes the norms advocated by Murray, in that it certainly has "juridical consequences": Catholicism is to enjoy a favoured legal status in regard to marriage legislation, public education, the designation of public holidays, the civil status of clergy, and other areas of the national life.78

78. Cf. AAS 67 (1975), pp. 423-434; AAS 46 (1954), pp. 435-457.


37 posted on 01/25/2005 6:17:11 PM PST by gbcdoj ("The Pope orders, the cardinals do not obey, and the people do as they please" - Benedict XIV)
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