CALVINISM IN AMERICA

Reformed Theology ^ | Loraine Boettner

[HarleyD]

I agree. There are various shades of Calvinism and Calvinists who hold various doctrinal beliefs and understandings but I don't believe for one moment there is such a thing as "hyper-Calvinism". I think it's meant to be derisive and, I agree with Dr. E, it is meant to divide the Calvinists. If this was not true, one would think there would be a "hyper-Arminian" which there isn't and cannot be defined.

There are those who hold the monergist belief and those who hold the synergist belief. Each side has their extremes but there is no third category.

[Corin Stormhands]

Pinging you to this post as I'm totally speechless.

But that'll pass...

[Dr. Eckleburg]

"No King But Christ."

The story of Donald Cargill by Maurice Grant

~~"Hairbreadth escapes, night-time journeys to avoid pursuing soldiers, exile, the public excommunication of King Charles II and his principal ministers for their crimes against God and his church, arrest and the gallows - these are all part of the dramatic story of Donald Cargill.

Set in Scotland in the colourful days of the Restoration of the monarchy under Charles II, when to preach without licence from the Crown was an offence punishable by imprisonment, banishment and even death, this book tells the story of one of the most noted and loved preachers of the day, who defied the king and Privy Council and was in consequence branded 'rebel and traitor' for refusing to acknowledge their jurisdiction over the church. Cargill was prepared to face years of privation and constant danger, and ultimately death itself, rather than surrender the rights of Christ alone to be Head of the church.

"No King but Christ" is a challenge to faithfulness and a striking testimony of the grace of God which enabled Cargill to face a violent and cruel death with the words: 'The Lord knows, I go up this ladder with less fear and perturbation of mind than ever I entered the pulpit to preach... Farewell, all relations and friends in Christ; farewell, all acquaintances and all earthly enjoyments; farewell, reading and preaching, praying and believing, wanderings, reproaches and sufferings. Welcome, joy unspeakable and full of glory. Welcome, Father, Son and Holy Ghost! Into thy hands I commit my spirit.'"~~

[topcat54]

And I'm not a fan of Iain Murray. I find the dissection of Calvinism into various camps to be a lot like the link you provided -- gibberish.

Perhaps, but I don't think so. It's irrational to deny what exists within what passes as Calvinistic circles. Relabeling it is no solution.

It's obvious that the hyper-calvinists like those in the PRC don't like the label. But remember the label was bestowed by other Reformed people, not by Arminians.

[Corin Stormhands]

But remember the label was bestowed by other Reformed people, not by Arminians.

Thank you.

[xzins]

He was a man that was obviously supporting the church state (and the religious persecution that followed it )in America by his position on it .

Wesley was the first to provide for the colonists. Wesley had been a colonist. Wesley spent vast sums of time, energy, and money on the colonies.

Wesley was the one who angered his brother by providing for the colonists to break from Anglicanism.

I'd like to think I was seeing your prejudice toward the deceased Rev. Wesley. I'm afraid I'm simply seeing the extent of your education.

[Corin Stormhands]

Preach on Brother xzins. I'd like to learn more...

[xzins]

So, then, Marlowe is a lenient calvinist. And the old-school primitive baptists are strict calvinists.

But... all are calvinists?

[HarleyD]

Pinging you to this post as I'm totally speechless.

Well, that's a first. :O)

[Corin Stormhands]

Well, that's a first. :O)

It was probably just lunch...

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Not so with the Articles of Confederation.

Thus the Constitutional Convention.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The discussion is interesting. You shouldn't make it personal, x.

[xzins]

????

[Dr. Eckleburg]

There are those who hold the monergist belief and those who hold the synergist belief. Each side has their extremes but there is no third category.

Excellent way of putting it.

[xzins]

It wasn't personal. Her history is lacking. Should I pretend she's correct?

YOU (of all people) as wanting me to pretend to be PC???

[Corin Stormhands]

That was not the point.

BTW, did you know Beethoven was a Mason? ;-)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

And the Russians invented television.

[xzins]

Now this is the truth ... Al Gore invented the internet. :>)

[Styria]

Luther sought to reform the Church. Later Reformers did nothing more than throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[A.J.Armitage]

Just because people who attended Presbyterian Churches in America were a predominant factor in the revolution against England does not in any way mean that it was the soteriology of the revolutionaries that led to the revolution.

But Calvinist soteriology does directly relate to the system of government they set up. I mean the first point, total depravity, and all the anthopological doctrine surrounding it, in particular.