[Thatcherite]

As I know nothing of Yucca sybmiosis I found this explanation on the net:

One possible scenario follows. The ancestral yuccas were plagued with small moth caterpillars that fed inside plants shoots. As with modern moths, there is some variation in each generation, and a few eggs are laid beyond the stems on blades and flower parts. Eggs laid in fertilized flowers discovered an untapped developing supply of seeds rich in protein, and their young survived in high numbers and reinforced this population of flower-inhabiting larval moths. The variant larval moths that ate seeds added a burden to the plant, but moths that moved from flower to flower also carried pollen with more accuracy than casting pollen to the wind. Such a tradeoff, perhaps only slightly in the plant's favor at first, became even greater as moth variants became more skillful at transfer of pollen, especially by selection for palps and behavior to comb the yucca pollen from anthers. Meanwhile, the yucca could save much energy by forming pollen that is gummy rather than fine and wind dispersed. To evolutionary biologists, confirming this sequence remains an exciting problem.

Biologists haven't proved that this happened, as the article says, but it is a plausible scenario of how symbiosis could arise. What puzzles me is why you have a big problem with symbiosis and evolution? Species can start out accidentally co-operating a little and over time because of the benefits of the co-operation increasing the "fitness" of both tend to need each other more and more. Why should that not happen?

[Jehu]

Nice story if I was 9 or 10. Do YOU actually believe this garbage? Have you read how specific the relationship is in symbiotic relationships? The Yucca moth has the only body shape that fits the Yucca flower. The Yucca flower is shaped only to accept the Yucca moth.

Incremental changes would work, I suppose, but only if synchronized over millions of years between the two species. Each slight change in anticipation of the end result. By definition ToE cannot anticipate anything. To believe ToE can account for symbiotic relationships is to believe beyond what I believe in a Supreme God.

At least I can pin my belief on a somebody...fanciful or not. But ToE is not even a well described system? of forces. And it cannot think nor plan...yet it can order species to appear at a future date in complete symbiosis with each other? Come on Thatcher...think about it!

What do you have to lose to go study about symbiotic life, look into the evolutionist literature, think for yourself. Do a thought experiment for a week, pretend evolution is in question, then examine such things as the cycle of parasites, or symbiotic relationships.

There are even some symbiotic relationships in nature of 3 species, (that I know about) Your eager acceptance of ToE has caused you to loose your questioning ability. You only train it upon any anti-evolutionists, in fairness you ought to be just as ruthless to evolutionary claims, what do you have to fear of finding out? If evolution is TRUE, it will bear any critical assault you can muster.