[Fester Chugabrew]

Sure. Please show me the point at which I wished to be shown an ape giving birth to a human. As far as I can tell that was your idea. But I would like to review those interrogatives if you can provide them. If indeed, I have asked for the impossible, namely proof of evolution in the wide sense, I would be happy also to entertain your retrieval of those posts where proof has been given.

Otherwise, theories of evolution must be treated as such: speculation based on unobserved, untestable phenomena.

[general_re]

Really, Chester - it was less than 24 hours ago. Pretending you didn't say what you said works a lot better if you let a bit of time pass so everyone can forget the details:

To: general_re

Nobody can make you see things you don't want to see.

I've always thought one of the primary tenets of real science follows the line "Seeing is believing." I haven't seen an ape beget a human, and neither you nor any scientist will very likely make me. Historic comparisons of genetic material do not a scientific experiment make.

It's not a matter of my personal feelings or beliefs. It is a matter of fact based on my short life in this world. But . . . I'd like to keep an open mind. If you can show me, please do. By that time, however, the resurrection of the dead will have taken place, and your understanding of the bigger picture will have changed somewhat.

691 posted on 11/30/2004 12:53:53 AM EST by Fester Chugabrew

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To: Fester Chugabrew

If you can show me, please do.

Show you what?

692 posted on 11/30/2004 12:56:07 AM EST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)

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To: general_re

An ape begetting a human. Heck. You don't even have to show me one in the present day. Just show me some scientific record of such a phenomenon. As long as you confine yourself to recorded history I can believe it.

693 posted on 11/30/2004 1:03:44 AM EST by Fester Chugabrew

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So, now - what was that about not asking for the impossible again? How about asking for that which you admit doesn't exist - is that asking for the impossible, wanting to be shown something that doesn't exist?

Really, asking for the impossible as your standard of evidence is a good way of insuring that you're never convinced, of insuring that no matter how good the evidence is, it's just never, ever quite good enough. Of course, one might wonder why the pretense is worth bothering with - just say right up front that nothing anyone ever brings you will ever, ever convince you that the theory of evolution is the best explanation for the diversity of life on earth, and be done with it. Sure, it'll seem closeminded to some, but who cares? State your piece, stand your ground, and let the chips fall where they may.

Nobody can make you see things you don't want to see.

I've always thought one of the primary tenets of real science follows the line "Seeing is believing." I haven't seen an ape beget a human, and neither you nor any scientist will very likely make me. Historic comparisons of genetic material do not a scientific experiment make.

It's not a matter of my personal feelings or beliefs. It is a matter of fact based on my short life in this world. But . . . I'd like to keep an open mind. If you can show me, please do. By that time, however, the resurrection of the dead will have taken place, and your understanding of the bigger picture will have changed somewhat.

If you can show me, please do.

Show you what?

An ape begetting a human. Heck. You don't even have to show me one in the present day. Just show me some scientific record of such a phenomenon. As long as you confine yourself to recorded history I can believe it.