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To: KTpig
Repost #195:In a nutshell, Creation is more in line with the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics than evolution. Something does not come from nothing and the organized tends toward disorganization.

Okay, I'll bite -- since "Creation" is the most extreme example possible of "something coming from nothing", and "organization" coming from "disorganization", how the HECK do you conclude that "Creation is more in line with the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics than evolution"?

Evolution only posits that reproducing things will tend to accumulate beneficial variations -- which is not "something from nothing", and while it can be loosely described as "organization from disorganization", that actually violates no laws, not even the laws of thermodynamics (as another poster correctly implied, if increasing organization did violate physical laws, even snowflake formation would be impossible).

The expanding universe shows it had a beginning and requires an outside source.

An unwarranted simplification, but I'll let it slide. Even so, this in no way indicates that the "outside source" is some sentient creature -- it could just as well be some source working by other sets of natural laws of some sort.

"Chance" is unlikely, our planets and the life on it requires very specific conditions.

Or perhaps these are the only laws of physics possible. You have no grounds for comparison.

There was a plan.

Or not.

There is adaptaion but not evolution.

Adaptation *IS* evolution... So you're contradicting yourself.

Genetic code does not allow reproduction outside of a species.

Sure it does. How else do you explain the pattern of shared endogenous retroviruses?

Homology can show similarities but not relation.

No, it can show relation as well. Even if you're not aware of the many ways that analogs can be verified as truly homologous, and even if you refuse to accept the conclusions of the experts in this area, there's still the fact that DNA analsysis can and has been used to verify the true relation of phenotypic homologs.

Finally, even ignoring homologs entirely, DNA analysis very clearly shows "relation" (i.e., common descent).

1,038 posted on 12/01/2004 10:53:34 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

"since "Creation" is the most extreme example possible of "something coming from nothing", and "organization" coming from "disorganization", how the HECK do you conclude that "Creation is more in line with the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics than evolution"?"

That is why He is the Creator, He is outside of the laws that govern this universe.


1,056 posted on 12/02/2004 5:37:24 AM PST by KTpig
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