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Evolution of creationism: Pseudoscience doesn't stand up to natural selection
Daytona Beach News-Journal ^ | 29 November 2004 | Editorial (unsigned)

Posted on 11/29/2004 6:52:41 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: puroresu
We know that variation occurs within kind, but we don't at all know that evolution occurs.

Maybe *you* don't, but *we* certainly do. We've looked at the evidence.

It's simply an assumption. An interesting one, I'll grant you, but nothing more than one.

Uh huh... And where exactly did you "learn" this bit of nonsense?

I could take you into any well-stocked research library and quite literally *bury* you in journal articles detailing the supporting evidence for evolution. That makes it quite a bit more than "simply an assumption", son.

1,041 posted on 12/01/2004 11:02:00 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Well since you don't ask me for a definition, maybe you will answer some questions for me. How is the evolution of a lung with respect to a swim bladder taught in school? How is the evolution of a tetrapod with respect to a lobe-finned fish taught in the same class?


1,042 posted on 12/01/2004 11:20:49 PM PST by AndrewC (New Senate rule -- Must vote on all Presidential appointments period certain.)
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To: sayfer bullets

Evolution and creation are both theories....nither can be proven or disproven without a shadow of a doubt, and both should be given equal footing. I am saying this as someone who does not concider himself religious.


1,043 posted on 12/02/2004 3:31:57 AM PST by Navydog
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To: AndrewC

By thousands of paleontologists working hand-in-hand with thousands of biologists, geologists and physicists, locating, dating and cataloging hundreds of thousands of fossils over a couple of centuries.


1,044 posted on 12/02/2004 3:43:31 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Just like they might operate without the hand of a designer. Why introduce something that isn't needed? You'll need to come up with something stronger to inject a designer into the process.


1,045 posted on 12/02/2004 3:47:43 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: KTpig
Repost #195:In a nutshell, Creation is more in line with the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics than evolution.

Evolution does not violate either the first or second LoT because the Earth is not a closed system. By your lights, the formation of snowflakes would violate the laws of thermodynamics.

Something does not come from nothing...

I've bet you've heard of zero-point energy.

... and the organized tends toward disorganization.

In the overall system. However, greater local organization is possible as long as the disorganization in the overall system increases.

1,046 posted on 12/02/2004 4:04:01 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Ichneumon

[Thunderous applause!] The geological column article by Morton is now added to the list-o-links.


1,047 posted on 12/02/2004 4:20:15 AM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: ThinkPlease
Nothing beats the table top game, though.

As a tabletop wargamer, I have to agree, although my preferred genre is Victorian Science Fiction.

1,048 posted on 12/02/2004 4:26:27 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Ichneumon

Elwood, the surviving Blues Brother...


1,049 posted on 12/02/2004 4:29:31 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Navydog
Evolution and creation are both theories...

Evolution is a theory (in the scientific sense, not in the common usage of the word). Creationism doesn't even rise to the level of a testable hypothesis.

1,050 posted on 12/02/2004 4:39:59 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Junior
By thousands of paleontologists working hand-in-hand with thousands of biologists, geologists and physicists, locating, dating and cataloging hundreds of thousands of fossils over a couple of centuries.

And basketball is played by basketball players. That does not tell me how the game differs from football. I asked how the sequence was determined.

1,051 posted on 12/02/2004 4:50:15 AM PST by AndrewC (New Senate rule -- Must vote on all Presidential appointments period certain.)
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To: Junior

I've been getting into wargaming lately. What's your favorite system? I've been working into it by playing some of the space games (Battlefleet Gothic, Babylon 5 Wars, etc). A friend of mine is trying to push me into the money suck that is Warhammer, and so far, I've successfully resisted.


1,052 posted on 12/02/2004 5:06:47 AM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: AndrewC
But it is difficult not to at least consider another explanation: that scientists on the assembly or in other positions of influence could not abide Damadian’s staunch support for "creationist science."

I'm sure you'll adopt tinfoil theory you want; someone who could believe creationism could give credence to anything, In my experience, however, most scientists in the field of NMR don't even know Damadian's a creationist. They know (and mostly dislike) him for his 25 year campaign to try to steal credit for NMR imaging from its inventors.

Of course, when I tell 'em he's also a creationist, after the initial REALLY!?, they don't seem shocked at all.

1,053 posted on 12/02/2004 5:17:38 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: higgmeister

"Similarly, if God created the universe using the big bang as a tool and then allowed it to proceed according to the laws of nature He established, then who created the universe?

I don't have a problem with calling God's action the "Big Bang."

"The "organized tends toward disorganization" seems to
suggest the myriad possible changes of natural selection."

Natural selection only suggests survival of the fittest, not species jumping as one of the "myriad possible change."

"Also, species boundaries are changed through evolution.
Reproduction outside of a species doesn't occur because
the species is redefined by the successful changes it
adapts and absorbs."

Seems like a catch-22, is there a species boundary window that opens and closes?




1,054 posted on 12/02/2004 5:30:45 AM PST by KTpig
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To: ThinkPlease
I prefer Soldier's Companion, a set of rules by the now-defunct GDW that simulate Victorian-era combat. It's easy to learn and fast to play. I do most of my creative work in GDW's House Rules System, which they used for most of their role-playing games, but which also has ancilliary ground-combat and space-combat miniatures rules. Plus it has a great design system for creating the sinews of war for that otherworldly feel.
1,055 posted on 12/02/2004 5:32:31 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Ichneumon

"since "Creation" is the most extreme example possible of "something coming from nothing", and "organization" coming from "disorganization", how the HECK do you conclude that "Creation is more in line with the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics than evolution"?"

That is why He is the Creator, He is outside of the laws that govern this universe.


1,056 posted on 12/02/2004 5:37:24 AM PST by KTpig
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To: Dimensio
I just don't see the implications of design that you assert.

If you see no sense or design in the fossil record I really don't see why you would want to call it a "cornerstone" of evolution theory.

1,057 posted on 12/02/2004 5:41:44 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ThinkPlease
Then, of course, thousands of convicted murderers in this country should go free.

Forensic science deals with current evidence and events. Evolution theory makes assertions stretching back into the unrecorded and unobservable. It doesn't take a scientist to figure out that any assertions based on such things is merely positing reasonable conjecture. It should not be treated as a matter of fact.

As far as criminal justice is concerned, there is always an element of uncertainty, as the prospect of false and unreliable witness is all but certain.

1,058 posted on 12/02/2004 5:48:30 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Junior; ThinkPlease
My favorite miniatures system is the first edition of Striker. Clean mechanics, plus the ability to design anything from a WW2 Panzer to an antigrav tank of the 56th century.
1,059 posted on 12/02/2004 5:51:34 AM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Ichneumon

http://www.reasons.org/resources/fff/2000issue04/index.shtml#repeatable_evolution_or_repeated_creation


1,060 posted on 12/02/2004 5:51:34 AM PST by KTpig
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