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Revisionist attempts to reframe old debate don't wash
hearldonline ^ | 24 oct 2004 | Thomas G. Clemens

Posted on 10/26/2004 4:28:59 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

The recent flurry of letters from neo-Confederates asserting that slavery had no role in the Civil War is troubling, as they seem doggedly determined to force counterfactual information on the public. The trend towards "true Southern history," minimizing the slavery issue by insisting that all of America was racist, and that slaves fought for the Confederacy is a spurious and disingenuous argument. Using half-truths and outright misinformation, they try to avoid what any serious historian of the Civil War recognizes as a major issue of the war.

Having studied the Civil War since my early teens and teaching it on a college level here in Hagerstown and at George Mason University, I feel qualified to point out a few holes in their argument. First of all, yes, much of America was racist, at least by today's standards, but that does not mean that slavery was not an issue in the war.

The controversy was not on a humanitarian basis, but was political and economic. Many states outlawed slavery soon after the Revolutionary War, and slave-state representatives were determined to "force" slavery into the newly acquired western territories. There was no political effort to eradicate in existing states, but a strong attempt to halt the spread of it to the new territories in the West.

The much-cited proposed 13th amendment in 1861 was intended as a compromise to reassure the southern states that their property rights were not in jeopardy due to Lincoln's election, and it did pass in Congress. Because of their insistence of spreading slavery, southern states chose to leave the Union and fire upon Fort Sumter rather than take that assurance. The actual 13th amendment did indeed outlaw slavery and end the institution, but the claim that three southern states ratified it before Lee surrendered is disingenuous.

The three state legislatures cited by the author of a recent letter were not the same ones that had decided to secede. They were Union-occupational legislatures dominated by Unionists that had little connection to Confederate states. Surely the author does not suggest that the Richmond legislature was approving United States Constitution amendments while still maintaining their Confederate independence!

Another writer cites a large number of blacks who aided the Confederate cause, some in combat. This too is stretching a point. Prof. Smith's estimate of 90,000 blacks who served the Confederacy in one way or another is just that, an estimate. Since the author who cites this number then states that there were 250,000 free blacks in the South, these numbers present a problem. Either there was an unusually high rate of volunteerism, 90,000 men out of 250,000 men, women and children, or many of these 90,000 blacks serving the Confederacy were slaves. If most of them were slaves, which most historians think is the case, then they are not exactly willing participants. Even if a couple of thousand free blacks did volunteer and did participate in armed conflicts, it is still a miniscule proportion of the roughly 1 million men who served the Confederacy. Most references to blacks in the Confederate army cite them as servants, cooks, teamsters, etc. Many of them were, and remained, slaves and unless someone can find testimony from them stating their willingness to do so, we must consider the possibility of them being forced labor.

As for Robert E. Lee being "an abolitionist," as Michelle Hamlin stated, the notion is ludicrous. The term abolitionist was a highly pejorative and emotionally charged word, and Lee would have been very insulted to have it applied to him. He did indeed free the slaves inherited from his father-in-law, as required by his father-in-law's will. It is not a true indicator of Lee's personal feelings, although we know he stated he disliked the institution.

This manumission does not make him an abolitionist because he never advocated freeing anyone else's slaves, and is unclear whether he would have freed these particular slaves if it were not required.

If Lee and the South were not fighting for slavery, why in the world did Lee's army hunt down hundreds of free blacks in Pennsylvania and drag them southward in chains? This is an established and accepted fact of the Gettysburg campaign, and taken with Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens' famous speech where he described slavery as the "cornerstone" of southern society, makes any logical person wonder how the South could not be fighting for slavery while fighting to preserve that society. If nothing else, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was designed to make slavery an issue of the war, not on humanitarian terms, but on political, military and economic terms. If the South was not fighting for slavery before January 1, 1863, at which time the proclamation went into effect, they certainly were doing so after that date.

Latter day denials of the facts will not change them. Slavery was part of the war, deeply intertwined in Southern economy and society, and the focal point of much of the debate that led to the war. While it is incorrect to attribute the entire cause of the war to slavery, it is equally incorrect to deny its influence.


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To: Non-Sequitur
Slavery laws in the states and in the territories were unconstitutional because Taney and the court ruled that they were. That sum it up?

Uh, no. They were unconstitutional because they were unconstitutional, and Taney and company finally figured enough of it out in 1857, that one could reason by extension that these laws would in due course be found unconstitutional, because Taney had held that Congress had attempted to deprive citizens of their property rights and that Scott never ceased to be a slave, even when he was in Illinois, because of the property rights of his owner.

81 posted on 10/26/2004 12:32:07 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well, every time you stray from lower mathematics, I'm going to remind you of it -- "Just your opinion!"

You're going to wind up like Wlat, posting spam from his old AOL ACW tickler file.

People who know how to think don't need support.

82 posted on 10/26/2004 12:35:47 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
People who know how to think don't need support.

Of course not. You just make it up as you go along.

83 posted on 10/26/2004 12:39:28 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Or tease out level after level of meanings both subtle and gross, and inspirit them all with transcendant understanding.

Gotta go. All for today.

Class dismissed.

84 posted on 10/26/2004 12:44:22 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Class dismissed.

ROTFLMAO. Taught by the professor emeritus from Clown College, no doubt.

85 posted on 10/26/2004 12:55:12 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: risk

Your graphic illustrates why Ronald Reagan pursued his "southern strategy" in the 1980 election. It was a watershed in American politics.


86 posted on 10/26/2004 1:48:45 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: lentulusgracchus
"After all, a policy of freesoil Territories was de facto an exclusion of Southern planters and whatever other Southern citizens might actually own slaves. That policy made them second-class citizens in their fathers' house, and intended to exclude them from the national patrimony."

The Founders seemed to have no compunctions about excluding slavery from the Northwest Territory (1787). In fact, it is clear that the great majority of them, including many of the southern Founders, hoped to see slavery die out in their lifetime.

Human slavery was antithetical to the promise of the new nation.

87 posted on 10/26/2004 1:59:09 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: Non-Sequitur
" The North fought because the south bombarded Fort Sumter and initiated the war."

I smell the distinct stench of bullsh*t! The South fired on Sumter (which was Southern soil viewed as being occupied by Northern troops) when Lincoln under the guise of resupply, tried to reinfoce the fort. The Lincoln then used that as his excuse to go to war against the seceeding States. He claimed it was about preserving the Union, but in reality it was about politics, economy, and who would have more say - the States or the Federal Government. No matter how you try to paint it, the North waged an aggressive campaign of forcible repatriation. Kind of an early precursor to what Stalin did to the White Russians at the end of WW2.

88 posted on 10/26/2004 2:02:25 PM PDT by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Falsum etiam est verum quod constituit superior.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
"You really expect us to believe there wasn't going to be a war at all, except that that happened?"

War was certainly going to happen; Lincoln wasn't going to start it. At the very least, civil war would have broken out in the Unionist areas of the South, who wanted nothing to do with Jeff Davis and his bastard republic.

89 posted on 10/26/2004 2:04:58 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: Colt .45
I smell the distinct stench of bullsh*t! The South fired on Sumter (which was Southern soil viewed as being occupied by Northern troops) when Lincoln under the guise of resupply, tried to reinfoce the fort. The Lincoln then used that as his excuse to go to war against the seceeding States. He claimed it was about preserving the Union, but in reality it was about politics, economy, and who would have more say - the States or the Federal Government. No matter how you try to paint it, the North waged an aggressive campaign of forcible repatriation. Kind of an early precursor to what Stalin did to the White Russians at the end of WW2

Speaking of manure.

90 posted on 10/26/2004 2:07:48 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: lentulusgracchus; Non-Sequitur
"States' rights and self-determination. IOW, the whole ball of wax. That's what Abe Lincoln attacked -- legally, politically, militarily, every way he could."

You seem to ascribe certain motivations to Lincoln that did not exist prior the southern military aggression.

If "state's rights" was the issue, what had legally changed between 1850 and 1861? If the south was content to stay in the Union under the terms of the 1850 Compromise, why did they suddenly feel the justified by attempting to leave?

91 posted on 10/26/2004 2:09:40 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: lentulusgracchus
"The south, correctly, viewed slavery as the cornerstone of their economic well-being, and the fabric of their southern society."

Does this represent your "scholarly" point of view, or your endorsement of their institutions?

92 posted on 10/26/2004 2:11:22 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: Non-Sequitur
" Speaking of manure."

You should know all about that now wouldn't you cowboy!

93 posted on 10/26/2004 2:15:03 PM PDT by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Falsum etiam est verum quod constituit superior.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
"First, there was no rebellion."

That will come as a surprise to all those southerners who accepted Pres. Johnson's pardons granted to "all persons who have, directly or indirectly, participated in the existing rebellion."

94 posted on 10/26/2004 2:26:39 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: Colt .45
You should know all about that now wouldn't you cowboy!

Thanks to my dealings with you I've become far more familiar with it than I had hoped to.

95 posted on 10/26/2004 2:38:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: lentulusgracchus; Non-Sequitur
"It was all about slavery" -- that propaganda slogan has been refuted and stomped flatter than a crisp tortilla, and you are engaging in the worst kind of ideological bloodymindedness to bring it back in here after you've been pounded flat about it."

You may not think it was about slavery, but the southern leadership certainly did.

"African slavery is the cornerstone of the industrial, social, and political fabric of the South; and whatever wars against it, wars against her very existence." - South Carolina Congressman Lawrence Keitt, Jan. 1860

"There is not a respectable system of civilization known to history whose foundations were not laid in the institution of domestic slavery." - Virginia Senator Robert Hunter

"[The Confederacy's] foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery ... is his natural and normal condition." - CSA Vice President Alexander Stephens, March 1861

"Sir, I do firmly believe that domestic slavery, regulated as ours is, produces the highest toned, the purest, best organization of society that has ever existed on the face of the earth." - South Carolina Congressman John Hammond

"Democratic liberty exists solely because we have slaves ... freedom is not possible without slavery." Editorial, "Richmond Enquirer"

"I want Cuba ... I want Tamaulipas, Potosi, and one or two other Mexican States; and I want them all for the same reason - for the planting and spreading of slavery." - Mississippi Senator Albert G. Brown

"We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and politcal blessing." Editorial, "Atlanta Confederacy"

What do you say about that, muchacho tortilla?

96 posted on 10/26/2004 3:01:05 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: lentulusgracchus; Non-Sequitur
It was a principle of American law that the legislature could bar slavery from any territory, before there was a Constitution. The Consitution spifically gave to Congress the power to regulate the territories. I don't see where it gave them that power, except in the case of slavery.
97 posted on 10/26/2004 3:09:11 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
It was a principle of American law that the legislature could bar slavery from any territory, before there was a Constitution.

It's amazing how quickly they toss 'states rights' out the window when it suits their agenda, isn't it?

98 posted on 10/26/2004 3:43:51 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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