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I don't think I ever called for stopping everyone. But given the 4000-8000 (figures not disputed by either candidate during the debate) daily illegal crossings during a time of war, I think I can demand that my elected officials "do something." That is what they are paid to do.

You keep talking about detecting individual people in the water. For some reason, I doubt that AQ is swimming here from Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. I do think we have the capacity to detect boats, as we have the capacity to detect submarines off of our coast.

As to Israel, many of its problems stem from the fact that it lives under artificial restraints, i.e. the present administration calling for "restraint" whenever Arafat's boys decide that a school bus filled with children or folks celebrating holy days are legitimate target. Had the U.S. supported Israel treating the Palestinians as we treated Afghanistan, I think there would have been a solution to this problem long ago.

BTW, why can we not secure our border and go after the enemy? I for one am confident in our ability to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Yeah ok, you are not getting it. Thats ok, the scale is hard to visualize. It is easy here in Israel where it is mostly dessert and you can drive across the nation in 45 minutes.

Try driving across Nevada and think of trying to spot 10 guys with a backpack out there that don't want to be spotted.

It is a lot harder than you think. I have had the fun of playing war games with helo's looking for me. Without a heck of a lot of luck, you aint a gonna find me if I don't want to get seen. It is real hard to understand if you have never tried it.

Try a paint ball game in the woods. Dang spooky where those paint balls come from all of a sudden. With any kind of undergrowth at all and a minimum of training it is nigh on to impossible to spot a determined squad if the goal is simply not to be seen.

While it is the governments duty to protect it's citizens, it is still unreasonable to think that they have much chance at sealing the borders of a huge free country. Now if Israel which is tiny and is playing a very high stakes game cannot with 100% conscription, where does that lead us?

Do you want 100% conscription just as starters? Will you give up freedom for safety? If you do you will have none of both.

That is my point. Yes they must do something, they are and are doing a darn good job at it. Better to start with complaining about liberal judges that do not enforce the laws than complain about Bush not getting the job done. He is, they Arnt.

Unless you want a USA bar code branded in your forehead, just how can you tell the guy next to you is illegal?

We are already using UAV's and other military gear on the borders which is a bit of a constitutional nightmare. How far will we go to give up the freedom the Terrorists want to take away?

At what point do we win the battle and loose the war?