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To: radicalamericannationalist

Yeah ok, you are not getting it. Thats ok, the scale is hard to visualize. It is easy here in Israel where it is mostly dessert and you can drive across the nation in 45 minutes.

Try driving across Nevada and think of trying to spot 10 guys with a backpack out there that don't want to be spotted.

It is a lot harder than you think. I have had the fun of playing war games with helo's looking for me. Without a heck of a lot of luck, you aint a gonna find me if I don't want to get seen. It is real hard to understand if you have never tried it.

Try a paint ball game in the woods. Dang spooky where those paint balls come from all of a sudden. With any kind of undergrowth at all and a minimum of training it is nigh on to impossible to spot a determined squad if the goal is simply not to be seen.

While it is the governments duty to protect it's citizens, it is still unreasonable to think that they have much chance at sealing the borders of a huge free country. Now if Israel which is tiny and is playing a very high stakes game cannot with 100% conscription, where does that lead us?

Do you want 100% conscription just as starters? Will you give up freedom for safety? If you do you will have none of both.

That is my point. Yes they must do something, they are and are doing a darn good job at it. Better to start with complaining about liberal judges that do not enforce the laws than complain about Bush not getting the job done. He is, they Arnt.

Unless you want a USA bar code branded in your forehead, just how can you tell the guy next to you is illegal?

We are already using UAV's and other military gear on the borders which is a bit of a constitutional nightmare. How far will we go to give up the freedom the Terrorists want to take away?

At what point do we win the battle and loose the war?


1,022 posted on 10/18/2004 1:51:10 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
You're right. WE should engage in pre-emptive surrender. The terrorists will be mighty disappointed that even though they get to kill lots of our countrymen, we never gave up the freedom of an open border. I'm sure UBL will weep at his ultimate "loss."
1,024 posted on 10/18/2004 2:35:24 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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