Posted on 10/12/2004 8:42:25 PM PDT by knak
up on drudge:
WASH TIMES: U.S. security officials are investigating a recent intelligence report that a group of 25 Chechen terrorists illegally entered the United States from Mexico... Members of the group, said to be wearing backpacks, secretly traveled to northern Mexico and crossed into a mountainous part of Arizona, Gertz to report in Pgae One Splash, newsroom sources tell DRUDGE...
Do they know this? Just curious, what are the other reasons?
Maybe they ought to just hide in the middle of the millions that routinly pour in. Just a thought.
I was thinking that we should really bring back the 18'th Century of a Militia back in force, even require that an official Militia be established in every single town and city in the U.S.
Hear me out. Every town's militia can elect leaders with a military background and fall under the authority of the Pentagon or DoD if required. Meetings can be held every week and be coordinated with activities of concern to the local police and fire departments. The exact chain of command has to be worked out. Maybe the State National Guard has operational jurisdiction, unless the militias are nationalized by the President or DoD.
In a time of local crisis or emergency, with just a few phone calls, the National Guard, local police and/or fire chief can have a massive (volunteer) army helping out with any fire, hurricane cleanup, flood relief, or even to locally thwart a foreign invasion of CONUS (seacoast areas come to mind).
Training could be scheduled on a variety of topics. For example, one week might be fire prevention. Another week, flood control or disaster relief. Weekly or monthly meetings could be held for firearms training and safety procedures (NRA has some excellent safety programs. The one for kids, Eddy Eagle, comes to mind: http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/ ).
To add a steel backbone and additional training and guidance, US Special Force trainers could be brought in on an Ad Hoc or as-needed basis for further education, training and leadership in a time of emergency in a given region or sector.
Additionally, military recruiters would be officially welcome and a complete, open and direct relationship with the military would be encouraged. In fact, it may be argued that enlistment rates would increase and that recruiting targets would be met more easily, taking pressure of US Mil in hitting recruitment targets. Good citizenship would be encouraged and rewarded and our sense of community and help towards one's neighbor would be reinforced (or established if lacking).
In a time of serious emergency, DoD, the President and the State Governors and even local governments would have several million, if not 100 million+, trained and well-led volunteers that would be immediately available in a matter of hours. This would come in handy for hurricane cleanup or even repelling a foreign invasion.
Imagine that? The idea might work out with the proper amount of leadership, planning, training, education and integration into the existing military and police organizations.
A massive nationwide organization of officially-sanctioned and trained Citizen Militias would be one hell of a reserve if the country needed to call upon it for help.
Just an idea. I bet it would make foreign governments seriously think twice about forming alliance to subvert or invade us if they knew we could call us 50 to 100 million+ armed men in 24 hours...
Yeah, that's the kind of thing I was thinking about.
Oh really? Is that why approx half the people are going to vote for sKerry and his non existent national defense plan? Sorry, your view does not hold water.
That's so far out of touch with reality, I don't even know where to begin.
But here's one thing:
Boston Marathon
Empty space, with no one around.
Ah, yup, firearms are incredibly effective against car bombs and homicide vest wearers...
Actually, that's exactly what all of the anti-Bush, anti-freedom people are calling for; anything less, and it's a "Boston Marathon".
I'm thinking a joint task force equipped with JSTARS, some of the "overheads" tied in real time to roving bands of search and destroy sniper teams and AH64 patrols would be a quick start. The electronic surveillance assets available for strategic ground deployment would be an excellent force multiplier. A few birds in the air with FLIR and some prop planes for additional observation would be an enhancement. Some strategically located fire support and rapid deployment bases would provide overwatch and immediate interdiction capability should the call come in.
Do we have the willpower? Would there be significant internal political opposition to an escalation in our approach? Could we get Congress to alter or abolish laws that may get in the way? Could the President work out an effective solution on this issue with Congress? Would liberal lawyers have any legal recourse if a new approach was implemented? Would the so-called "international community" attempt to get involved and interfere? Different questions. We have the ways and means, but do we have the will? What would have to change?
I used to have some sympathy for the Chechens, back when they were a run-of-the-mill independence movement. I think what happened to them is similar to what happened to the Bosnians- they started off as a pretty secular group of Muslims, but as they got more and more desperate in their war against the Russians, they ended up seeking help from Wahhabi-backed terrorist groups. As tends to happen, the parasite in Chechnya has ended up consuming the host.
It's ironic that the Serbs and Russians managed to turn what were essentially secular groups of Muslims into breeding grounds for religious extremists.
On a side note, it seems that that Wahabbi attempts at turning the Albanians (in Kosovo and Albania proper) into Wahabbis has pretty much failed. I've alays said that despite the various church burnings, that conflict is primarily ethnic. There is a decent-sized Catholic Albanian minority which has never been mistreated by Muslim Albanians (The national hero of Albania, Skanderbeg, was Catholic)
We could mandate the creation of Citizen militias in every city and town and put them under the guidance of Army SF units, ((or some other force-multiplier type chain of command )) (similar to what SF did in Afghanistan...). I think there could be a groundswell of support for all-volunteer Citizen warriors under military control if there was a big enough push for it from the "leadership." Marine recon units could also be a source of leadership. SEAL teams could provide additional training and tactical leadership...
Mandate the creation of volunteer brigades from the top levels of political and military leadership here at home (properly authorized by Congress) and the volunteers will show up. Train them on the weekends and arm them, put them under the proper leadership and watch what would happen... I am thinking one SF unit to about 200-500(?) volunteers, or whatever exact ratio worked out. Make sure that the backbone is steel and the rest will fall into place.
We could set up a POLL on FREErepublic asking a simple question: If all-volunteer brigades were established by the military, would you volunteer for duty in your spare time after work hours or on the weekends? Yes/No.
Better yet, make this poll nationwide....
Bottom line: your proposal costs more than you wish, accomplishes less than you wish, does not accomplish the task by which you sold it to Congress, has lots of unintended negative consequences, and now you're going to go back with another hare-brained, unworkable idea and ask for lots of public money.
In short, you're a liberal Democrat...
ROFL! Brilliant, incisive analysis.
I can tell, you're on the case.
It's all a lie. There are not millions pouring in here illegally!
Thanks for setting the record straight Geek!
I am assuming it is a USB 2.0 drive. You need to make sure that the O/S on your work machine supports USB. NT 4.0 does not. Win 95 does not. Win 98 First Edition; I am pretty sure does not either.
Some USB pen drives require that you load a driver first. I have an Apacer 512MB USB pen drive and I had to load the Win 98 driver via CD first for the W98 SE machine to recognize it. My three XP Pro machines recognized it automatically. If it's W98 SE, you need to load the driver. If you have XP and it is not detected, maybe the USB port is bad or the cable is not attached? (this can happen with front USB).
Let me know if you figure it out
If you are a terrorist the last place you would go would be were illegals are. You will get a visa and come in legally like the 9/11 murderers. Why take the chance that you will do something that will get you caught?
This idea just makes no sense. These killers are trained by intelligence operatives and caution is the key for such types. Sneaking over borders is the most dangerous path for them to take.
Hey, good idea. Bet no one has thought of that. Who would think to look at those flying in on commercial aircraft! Hope our guys have thought of this. Good thinking!
I have been thinking about this idea for awhile (sorry for the excruciating detail). I think that we need to start thinking creatively as a country.
(( After all, the Intel and Congressional guys keep mentioning a failure of "imagination" in our ability to forsee how the terrorists would attack us. ))
They are. We aren't. Did you read the link?: Just Like Old Times Here's one from the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists: Russian nuclear forces, 2003
"As of mid-2003, Russia has approximately 8,250 operational nuclear warheads in its arsenal. This includes about 4,850 strategic warheads.
Production of the single-warhead SS-27 (called the Topol-M in Russia) continues and is a priority item in the 2003 Russian military budget. Recent ICBM test launches include the firing of an SS-19 (RS-18) missile from the Baikonur Space Center on December 10.
Russia maintains 14 operational nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs): two Typhoons, six Delta IVs, and six Delta IIIs.
The future of the last two (of six) Typhoon submarines in the Northern Fleet has long been in question. In March 2001, the Russian Navy announced its intent to overhaul and keep in service three Typhoon subs. The Arkhangelsk was reported to have left dry dock and returned to its base at Zapadnaya Litsa on November 9, 2002. The Dimitri Donskoi completed a 10-year conversion in June 2002 as a trial platform for the future SS-N-27 Bulava, an SLBM version of the Topol-M ICBM.
Production of SS-N-23s resumed in 1999 to support the remaining Delta IVs, along with a service life extension program. There are reports of an SS-N-23 SLBM variant under consideration that would carry 10 warheads instead of four. The CIA concluded in 1988 that the SS-N-23 Mod-2 (RSM-54) SLBM provided Russia with, an emerging sea-based capability to destroy hardened targets.
Russia has been developing a nuclear variant of a new cruise missile, similar to the U.S. advanced cruise missile, but with a prop engine, for Blackjack and Bear bombers. In January 2002, the missile was reported to be in final stages of development.
In March 2002, air force commander in chief Vladimir Mikhailov announced that all 15 Tu-160s bombers would undergo modernization of avionics, communication equipment, and weapon systems. In addition, three partially built Blackjacks were scheduled to be completed by 2003 and added to the force."
A logical error known as the Post Hoc fallacy. "I moved to Houston then my hair turned gray. The city must have caused it".
So exactly what does the Post Hoc fallacy say? If B follows A then A can't possibly have caused B?
When suicide bombers are being stopped at the fence and sometimes blowing themselves up. I think it is logical to think that the fence is stopping suicide bombers from blowing themselves up in the cities.
Its a lot easier to sneak a group of soldiers into a forest or desert than a populated border area.
A forest maybe. But we can cut a swath through the area near the border and install remote sensors. Cameras aren't that expensive. Deserts are easier.
But when its 25 terrorists armed with rifles, against one civilian asleep in a guard shack.
We have 280 million civilians in this country most of whom want this country to survive. Many of them would sacrifice their lives to stop terrorists with nuclear bomb.
It isn't going to be, "one guy in one guard shack". It's going to be a bunch of guys watching remote cameras and sensors who will call a bunch of other guys in helicopters. We might even have remotely controlled attack vehicles like the Israelis. We already have drones that can carry precision guided missiles.
Are you suggesting a few million civilians will volunteer to spend 40 hours a week patrolling deserted border areas without pay?
I think there are tens of millions of people who not only have the free time to do it but would volunteer their time to do it. And they wouldn't have to go to the border, they could monitor cameras remotely over the Internet.
Yes initially we will need to employ quite a lot of people to intercept people at the border. But, I guarantee you, if we stop 99 percent of them they will stop coming. Isn't that logical? If the illegals know they will be stopped and jailed, they will stop coming. And eventually the support systems will dry up. The coyotes, the ID makers, the illegal employers, etc. will go out of business, We will then have control of our borders and the terrorists will not have the illegal route to enter our country.
I'm saying we should stop them from getting the bomb in the first place
How in the world do you plan to do that? How do we know they don't already have one and they are just testing us to find a reliable way to sneak it into the country? Are we going to invade Russia and secure the nukes?
"Are you even an American?"
And the same pathetic, ignorant rhetoric breaks out yet again. Pull up your pants and go home...you just lost the debate.
Hey, that's not rhetoric. It's a question, and you didn't answer.
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