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Homosexuality Avoidable, Doctor Tells Parents
San Francisco Faith: The Bay Areas Lay Catholic Newspaper. ^ | Dr. Joseph Nicolosi

Posted on 02/26/2004 3:03:45 PM PST by Jaysun

I ran across this on the web. It's very interesting and confirms what many of us already believe about homosexual behavior. Jaysun

Dr. Joseph Nicolosi is Executive Director of the National Association tot the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) and Clinical Director of Thomas Aquinas Psychological Clinic in Encino, California. An expert in "reparative therapy." a treatment for homosexuality, he was interviewed by Lesley Payne.

What do you believe are the factors that contribute to homosexuality?

Nicolosi: To understand the cause of homosexuality, we have to begin by understanding that homosexuality is really a symptom, a rsult, of a gender-identity disorder. In other words, the boy did not sufficiently develop a masculine identification or the girl did not develop a sufficient feminine identification. This seems to hold out for the vast majority or homosexuals. With regard to formation of a masculine identification, in order for the boy to develop a solid sense of his own masculinity, he needs to first establish a bonding or an identification with the father. The father-son relationship is absolutely critical in the boy's sense of his own masculinity. We have to remember that boys and girls are first identified with the mother in their earlier years, but the boy has to dis-identify with his mother and make the bonding identification connection with the father.

We're talking about 2 1/2 years old. This is what they call the gender-identity phase. It's the time when children begin to realize that the world is divided between males and females and that he or she is pressured into identifying with one or the other. If the father is cold, distant, aloof, detached or critical, that doesn't happen properly.

Can parents prevent a child from becoming a homosexual?

The concern I have developed over the whole question of preventing homosexuality in children comes from the years of clinical work with homosexual men who desire to change. So, essentially, I'm working backwards, dealing with adults and understanding the critical events in their childhood that con-tributed to their homosexuality. So. prevention is really guarding against those particular factors that create the homosexual adult.

To begin, I would say that I think home-schooled children have a particular vulnerability for a number of reasons. The primary reason, especially for the boy (and I'll be focusing primarily on boys), is that it isolates him from his peers. I think that's a very important factor in the development of his masculine identification and his heterosexual development. In fact, I'm working right now with a number of parents who are concerned about symptoms what we call pre-homosexual symptoms or gender-identity confusion and a number of these parents are home-schooling these children. The problem that they all complain about is that their son does not have access to boys his age and can-not participate in the kinds of ordinary activ-ities of boys, like sports and sleepovers and just getting together and playing. I think that's a critical factor.

"Freud said 90 years ago that if a homosexual has an older brother, it's a feared, hostile relationship with the older brother."

From my work with adult homosexuals, what we see repeatedly in their childhood is the fact that they were isolated from other boys. They did not have close male friends. That's a very important factor. Parents who home-school will often complain that they have to chauffeur their kid all over town just so he can play with a boy for a couple of hours.

They have to make appointments and drive and it's a lot of work, whereas going to school, there's already a built-in social net-work. . I think that the burden of responsibility, unfortunately, falls on the parents of chil-dren who are home-schooling to provide opportunities tot their children to have peer interactions. That's very important. I'm not saying that home-schooling produces homosexuals. I am saying that parents who home-school have an additional burden of being concerned about these issues.

You have to look at the variables. One of the things we see over and over in the history of homosexual men is the tendency to feel left out of the other boys, to always feel that they were not included, that they were not good enough. This is a fundamental theme in the lives of homosexuals.

What are the signs of the pre-homosexual condition?

One of the signs of the pre-homosexual condition is characterized by a confusion of gender identity, which is to say the boy will exhibit certain behaviors like what we call the "sissy-boy syndrome," which is UCLA psychology researcher Richard Green's term--he wrote a book by that name. Basically--and other researchers have supported this--this is a boy who shies away from physical activity, tends to stay with girls. tends to stay close to his mother, grandmother or sisters. When he's very young he will actually say he doesn't want to be a boy and that he wants to be a girl. They will sometimes engage in dress-up or playing with makeup. Now, we have to warn parents that a certain amount of this is kind of normal curiosity. So we don't have to panic as soon as we see the slightest sign. But we have to look at an over-all picture of a boy who systematically either ignores, denies or minimizes his masculinity.

Typically, these boys stay home more. they stay in the kitchen more, they like theater, acting and music, they're into fantasy--fantasy is a very big part of their life, and they tend to identify with female characters on television. Like, usually in the Disney productions, they tend to identify with Sleeping Beauty or the mermaid or whatever the feminine character is....

If people were to ask me what is the one characteristic that identifies the pre-homosexual boy, I would say it's a boy who is not connected to his father, who avoids his father, who minimizes his father, who does not really go out and seek out his father's attention.

My experience with home-schoolers is that the fathers are more involved with their kids than typical families and the fathers are what I would consider more masculine, where they are clearly the head of the family and they go to Catholic men 's meetings, etc.

Let me say this generally speaking, more conservative and orthodox people--not only Catholics, but any religion politically, religiously and socially conservative people--tend to be more clear about gender difference. This is to say, the men are the men and the women are the women. Whereas, the more politically/socially/religiously liberal people tend to blur gender distinctions.

Furthermore, the decision to home-school, which is a major decision, is usually made by parents who are more concerned. Home-schooling is such an unpopular decision that, for the decision to be made, it usually means that the mother and father are very committed to the children. Already, that tells me that this is going to be a father who is more involved in his children's lives.

In a large family is there a different dynamic? In some home-schooling families I know there are five boys or nine boys.

When we're talking about the important variables [which] determine a boy's masculine identification, one of the important factors is a relationship with his older brother. If he has a loving, supportive, encouraging, positive relationship with his older brother, that's a very good sign. Whereas, if it's a feared, hostile relationship with the older brother, then that is not a good sign. If the younger boy shies away from his older brothers or feels intimidated by them or is constantly being beaten up by his older brothers, that's also another important variable. Freud said 90 years ago that if a homosexual has an older brother, it's a feared, hostile relationship with the older brother, and I have seen this to be true time and time again.

Many people have a family member or neighbor who is homosexual. What do you tell the kids about that? I don't want my kids to be un-Christian, but I don't want them to think it's normal.

Basically, we should educate our children to see that the homosexual is a person with a problem. We have to respect this person. We don't want to contribute to their unhappiness by rejecting them or making them feel bad about themselves. We have to always be Christian and tolerant of the person. But while we are loving to the person, it does not mean we have to accept or approve of their homosexuality. Tell the kids that homosexuality is really a psychological problem and that many of them, if they really work hard at it, can overcome their homosexuality, get married and have families. This is basically what we want to teach our kids.

What treatment do you recommend for a "pre-homosexual" condition?

Number one, what you do is you let the child know very specifically that effeminate behavior is unacceptable. That seems very obvious, but you would be surprised how many parents don't like their sons sissy behavior but do not comment on it, because they're either intimidated or they're fearful, or they don't want to hurt the boy's feelings, or they hope it's just a phase that will go away. The child interprets their silence as approval. This is one of the big discoveries that Richard Green found, that parents will not correct an effeminate boy.

Anyway, the first thing you do is you discourage effeminate behavior. The second thing is you get the mother to perhaps back off, to not be so emotionally tied to the boy. The father has to get much more involved. Any male in the boy's life has to become involved. All significant males in this boy's life have to work together to support and encourage and reinforce his masculine identification. The message has to be: "You're lucky to be a boy. Being a boy is fun. Being a boy is special." You really have to play that up. You have to really make him feel special to be a boy. It may be sexist, but that's what we need to do....

One of the things I find is that when these mothers call me up--and it's usually the mothers who call--they have an intuitive sense that there's something wrong. That's a good starting point. When parents call me because they are concerned, the first thing I do is an evaluation to determine whether the parents' fears are well-founded. If so, then I basically work with the parents. I really don't work with the child. I coach the parents in doing the right thing. If they're motivated, they can turn this around. If the parents are willing to work together as a team, they can produce very good results. And the younger the child, the faster the change. I once worked with the parents of a 3 1/2 year old boy who wanted to be a girl. We were able to bring about a radical change that everybody noticed-- uncles and aunts and everybody--in about three weeks.


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To: BykrBayb
Why thank you so much for your opinion on the piece. Although it is different from mine, it is much nicer to have one's opinion stated than to insult others by stating they did not read the piece.
It is like a car wreck. One can ask 12 different people what was seen and one will get 12 different stories.

You see it from your perspective and I see it from mine. I homeschool and know many homeschooled children. I see it from that point.

Although we do not agree with each other, it's nice to see civility.

81 posted on 02/26/2004 9:29:59 PM PST by netmilsmom (Don't put a question mark where God put a period.)
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To: 537 Votes
The question would be, why did he focus so much on homeschooling??
He eludes to the fact that parents of homeschoolers have to drive their kids for socialization. To believe that homeschooling parents do not do that is so NEA.
82 posted on 02/26/2004 9:33:47 PM PST by netmilsmom (Don't put a question mark where God put a period.)
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To: DoctorMichael
Hmmmmmm......Interesting.
I always thought it had to do with basic potty training and the avoidance/acceptance of feces.


LOL! I thought that the rejection of feces and traumatic early potty training experiences made serial killers out of otherwise normal people.
83 posted on 02/26/2004 10:15:00 PM PST by Jaysun (COVER THY PALE LEGS AND SHUT UP.)
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To: DannyTN
In rereading the article what he does is insinuates early on that homeschoolers have a special concern.

He doesn't insinuate that - he comes right out and says it: "To begin, I would say that I think home-schooled children have a particular vulnerability for a number of reasons. The primary reason, especially for the boy (and I'll be focusing primarily on boys), is that it isolates him from his peers."

To me, that isn't an attack. It's an observation and an inherently true statement.

But it has the feel of an attack on homeschoolers. You read it and you get the impression he is linking the two. Otherwise, why even bring homeschooling up.

I think that he explains the reason that he brings up homeschooling when he says, "In fact, I'm working right now with a number of parents who are concerned about symptoms what we call pre-homosexual symptoms or gender-identity confusion and a number of these parents are homeschooling these children. The problem that they all complain about is that their son does not have access to boys his age and cannot participate in the kinds of ordinary activities of boys, like sports and sleepovers and just getting together and playing. I think that's a critical factor."
84 posted on 02/26/2004 10:25:24 PM PST by Jaysun (COVER THY PALE LEGS AND SHUT UP.)
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To: Jeff Gordon
Are you Catholic?

Protestant
85 posted on 02/26/2004 10:35:05 PM PST by Jaysun (COVER THY PALE LEGS AND SHUT UP.)
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To: BykrBayb
Am I supposed to agree with you because Jaysun agreed with you?

yes. (wink)
86 posted on 02/26/2004 10:37:00 PM PST by Jaysun (COVER THY PALE LEGS AND SHUT UP.)
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To: nmh
Me:That "sweeping generalization just happens to be TRUE!

100% of homosexuals were abused? Preposterous.

And there are plenty of male survivors of abuse (and low identity) who did not turn homosexual.

87 posted on 02/26/2004 10:49:56 PM PST by In_25_words_or_less
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To: Styria
I'm not strongly masculine and it doesn't bother me. I don't recall having much identification with my father when I was little, or older for that matter. I'm into fantasy, but it's internal. I tend to identify with female characters and even have some in an online roleplaying game.
It's an interesting article, but I'm not homosexual and am not at risk for it either.


Thanks for your input. I think that his point is more along the lines of the "not all Pagans are Wiccans, but all Wiccans are Pagans" train of thought. So while an absence of male influence doesn't guarantee homosexuality, most homosexuals lacked male influence. I think that his theory is sound. In fact, I've decided to take extra precautions against homosexuality with my boy. You know, hurl things at him while he's not looking, occasionally drop him, randomly thump him in the head, and so on.
88 posted on 02/26/2004 10:57:00 PM PST by Jaysun (COVER THY PALE LEGS AND SHUT UP.)
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To: Jaysun
This home schooler thinks the article is excellent and, as a mother of sons, I thank the author for the heads-up.

He was very affirming of our parenting choices and made a point to say that we are typically more vigilant than the average parent.

Considering his audience, and taking all his comments in context of the whole, I cannot find any reason to feel the slightest bit offended.
89 posted on 02/26/2004 11:04:25 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (My two cents... and likely worth about half of that ;)
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To: BykrBayb
Thank you for a voice of reason! Boy, I sure hope the several knee-jerk reactions coming from people who did not read the article are not the people teaching their own children, that would be sad, so sad.
90 posted on 02/26/2004 11:04:57 PM PST by Unassuaged
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To: bluegrass
did he not make a distinction between conservative "Catholic" men group joining vs. liberal men.

Homosexuality was originally considered a psychological problem, until politics strong armed the Psych groups...
91 posted on 02/26/2004 11:10:13 PM PST by hmong
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To: woofie
I cannot believe you said "Is it that time of the month" --- If you lack the decency to be ashamed of yourself, I will do it for you. I hope you do not talk that way in front of children. Maybe FR is not the place for you.
92 posted on 02/26/2004 11:14:17 PM PST by Unassuaged
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To: Trinity_Tx
This home schooler thinks the article is excellent and, as a mother of sons, I thank the author for the heads-up.

That's also what I thought about the article. While I think that the words "fair" and "offended" should be stricken from the English language, I wouldn't deliberately put up anti-homeschooling propaganda without representing it as such.
93 posted on 02/26/2004 11:15:08 PM PST by Jaysun (COVER THY PALE LEGS AND SHUT UP.)
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To: netmilsmom
I don't think this was an attack on home shcool. If that was what you got, then you must have been to sensitive to home schoolers. I think that home school has a lot of advanteges over public. The point was the lack of socialization with boys...rough housing etc... But offset by fathers....usually Conservative religous fathers....
94 posted on 02/26/2004 11:16:22 PM PST by hmong
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To: Marie
WWWHHHAATTT? I must have been reading a different article. He gives a positive view on conservative religious home schooling fathers...etc..re-read the article....
95 posted on 02/26/2004 11:36:34 PM PST by hmong
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To: Old Professer
namely that being gay or lesbian, bisexual or transgendered is nothing more than a fad of our modern time.

Even fads are attributable to something that can be identified. Is it possible to hasten the end of the homosexual fad?

One cannot be quantifiabily queer in a sexual sense absent a clinical definition.

While this is far from a "clinical" definition, here's my gibberish on the subject: To be homosexual one must meet one criteria. That is, to repeatedly participate in sexual acts with a member of the same sex. What is the defining trait of homosexuality if not sex between two members of the same sex? Sex is what separates "buddies" from "gay lovers".
96 posted on 02/26/2004 11:39:50 PM PST by Jaysun (COVER THY PALE LEGS AND SHUT UP.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Paul what the heck. Someone else cannot tell you what you think in your mind?????

Huh.. In this context of psychology..the schizo would have more knowledge and credibility with his own mind...okay..yeah what ever.

You think he is full of it. Your statement about bisexual sounds like what you wish was true. ahahahhhh (pulling hair time).
97 posted on 02/26/2004 11:42:44 PM PST by hmong
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Even identical twin can recieve different portions of hormones from their mother in the womb.

Nope

98 posted on 02/27/2004 12:07:33 AM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: In_25_words_or_less
Stats--I don't see any p or f value in this article or your statement."""
99 posted on 02/27/2004 12:13:30 AM PST by hmong
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To: hmong
I DID read the entire article. First he implies that homeschooling boys are more at risk than PS kids because they have less positive social time with members of his own sex, THEN he goes on to say that homeschooling fathers are better role models. He presents both sides of the argument as viable and doesn't use the second to invalidate the first. He presents BOTH options as truisms and I KNOW that I?m not the only person who read that way.

Reread the article. Read the first half, then pretend that it ends there. Then read the second half and see if it states ANYWHERE that his second theory negates the first.

100 posted on 02/27/2004 12:15:30 AM PST by Marie (My coffee cup is waaaaay too small to deal with this day.)
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