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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Ex post facto is Latin for after the fact. "Ante" means before. What you suggest is that the states would separately volunteer to join a political union, without having a specified method of leaving, and at best, having to submit plans for doing so to the other members and hopefully being allowed to leave with their permission.

No, it's as simple as following Article IV. Any state wishing to secede has to allow Congress to determine the method of secession, not permission of secession.

This assertion is made in spite of the Articles of Confederation & Perpetual Union requiring unanimous consent to changes, and the Constitution's admission that 9 states seceding from the prior union would create the new one. Without any state having to petition for the right to withdraw.

I never said anything about petitioning.

There's a huge disconnect there.

You're not connecting with what I said.

618 posted on 03/10/2004 7:34:25 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: #3Fan
No, it's as simple as following Article IV. Any state wishing to secede has to allow Congress to determine the method of secession, not permission of secession.

Georgia: "We want to leave the union."
Federal Congress: "Give us a few years and get back to us."

No state would have joined if this were the case. Article IV states that "the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof." The revalent laws have been cited. It states that Congress may legislate how acts are proven (have the same legal standing in another state as it does in the original state), not that congress can determine the act illegal.

I never said anything about petitioning.

If Congress has failed to provide for enactment, having to request that it do so before leaving is a petition.

You're not connecting with what I said.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner ;o)

624 posted on 03/10/2004 8:11:51 AM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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