Posted on 02/25/2004 11:52:26 AM PST by 4CJ
THOMASVILLE -- Nelson Winbush knows his voice isn't likely to be heard above the crowd that writes American history books. That doesn't keep him from speaking his mind, however.
A 75-year-old black man whose grandfather proudly fought in the gray uniform of the South during the Civil War, Winbush addressed a group of about 40 at the Thomas County Museum of History Sunday afternoon. To say the least, his perspective of the war differs greatly from what is taught in America's classrooms today.
"People have manufactured a lot of mistruths about why the war took place," he said. "It wasn't about slavery. It was about state's rights and tariffs."
Many of Winbush's words were reserved for the Confederate battle flag, which still swirls amid controversy more than 150 years after it originally flew.
"This flag has been lied about more than any flag in the world," Winbush said. "People see it and they don't really know what the hell they are looking at."
About midway through his 90-minute presentation, Winbush's comments were issued with extra force.
"This flag is the one that draped my grandfathers' coffin," he said while clutching it strongly in his left hand. "I would shudder to think what would happen if somebody tried to do something to this particular flag."
Winbush, a retired in educator and Korean War veteran who resides in Kissimmee, Fla., said the Confederate battle flag has been hijacked by racist groups, prompting unwarranted criticism from its detractors.
"This flag had nothing to with the (Ku Klux) klan or skinheads," he said while wearing a necktie that featured the Confederate emblem. "They weren't even heard of then. It was just a guide to follow in battle.
"That's all it ever was."
Winbush said Confederate soldiers started using the flag with the St. Andrews cross because its original flag closely resembled the U.S. flag. The first Confederate flag's blue patch in an upper corner and its alternating red and white stripes caused confusion on the battlefield, he said.
"Neither side (of the debate) knows what the flag represents," Winbush said. "It's dumb and dumber. You can turn it around, but it's still two dumb bunches.
"If you learn anything else today, don't be dumb."
Winbush learned about the Civil War at the knee of Louis Napoleon Nelson, who joined his master and one of his master's sons in battle voluntarily when he was 14. Nelson saw combat at Lookout Mountain, Bryson's Crossroads, Shiloh and Vicksburg.
"At Shiloh, my grandfather served as a chaplain even though he couldn't read or write," said Winbush, who bolstered his points with photos, letters and newspapers that used to belong to his grandfather. "I've never heard of a black Yankee holding such an office, so that makes him a little different."
Winbush said his grandfather, who also served as a "scavenger," never had any qualms about fighting for the South. He had plenty of chances to make a break for freedom, but never did. He attended 39 Confederate reunions, the final one in 1934. A Sons of Confederate Veterans Chapter in Tennessee is named after him.
"People ask why a black person would fight for the Confederacy. (It was) for the same damned reason a white Southerner did," Winbush explained.
Winbush said Southern blacks and whites often lived together as extended families., adding slaves and slave owners were outraged when Union forces raided their homes. He said history books rarely make mention of this.
"When the master and his older sons went to war, who did he leave his families with?" asked Winbush, who grandfather remained with his former owners 12 years after the hostilities ended. "It was with the slaves. Were his (family members) mistreated? Hell, no!
"They were protected."
Winbush said more than 90,000 blacks, some of them free, fought for the Confederacy. He has said in the past that he would have fought by his grandfather's side in the 7th Tennessee Cavalry led by Gen. Nathan Bedford Forest.
After his presentation, Winbush opened the floor for questions. Two black women, including Jule Anderson of the Thomas County Historical Society Board of Directors, told him the Confederate battle flag made them uncomfortable.
Winbush, who said he started speaking out about the Civil War in 1992 after growing weary of what he dubbed "political correctness," was also challenged about his opinions.
"I have difficulty in trying to apply today's standards with what happened 150 years ago," he said to Anderson's tearful comments. "...That's what a lot of people are attempting to do. I'm just presenting facts, not as I read from some book where somebody thought that they understood. This came straight from the horse's mouth, and I refute anybody to deny that."
Thomas County Historical Society Board member and SVC member Chip Bragg moved in to close the session after it took a political turn when a white audience member voiced disapproval of the use of Confederate symbols on the state flag. Georgia voters are set to go to the polls a week from today to pick a flag to replace the 1956 version, which featured the St. Andrew's cross prominently.
"Those of us who are serious about our Confederate heritage are very unhappy with the trivialization of Confederate symbols and their misuse," he said. "Part of what we are trying to do is correct this misunderstanding."
[#3Fan] #1858 Being that they weren't citizens, it's no different than the movement to deport Mexicans today.
Deporting people because of the color of their skin is racist.
Let him hope the government never figures out a way to levy a tax on dumb.
Wrong. Your heritage is obviusly not native American, and have no understanding of the insult you give to stand watie. As someone of native American ancestry (yes, I look white too), I understand the objection he has to your repeated capitalization of his name.
Obviously, members of your family were not slaughtered by Union troops, the women raped, their homes destroyed. I question the mentality of anyone who claims such are justified, and finds nothing offensive about such acts.
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AND that he deserved a short rope & a long fall, as CSA criminals got for the same crimes????
sherman was BLUEBELLY SCUM!
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i suspect that even you wish that #3 wasn't a member in good standing of the FR unionists. he makes all of you look DUMB!
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Heck no, no need to apologize for anything. #3Fan has a point of view - right or wrong - and is willing to defend rapists, thieves, murderers who slaughtered innocent women and children.
That speaks for itself.
No need. The one good thing about this thread is its role in educating several posters about the verbal diarrhea he unleashes onto anything unfortunate enough to cross his path. At least the next time he wanders away from his normal routine of celebrity POW obsessions and drifts onto a civil war thread more people will know what he is really about.
Never underestimate just how low the Wlat brigade will go to fill its ranks. They reach into the bowels and gutters of yankee society, pull out the smelliest freaks of nature they can find, and embrace them into the Church of Lincoln.
Of course, we could always follow the example of Ispy4u and adopt a tag line ... Ignoring #3Fan since....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981839/posts?page=20#20
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20 posted on 09/13/2003 2:20:18 PM CDT by Ispy4u (Ignoring #3Fan since 9-9-03...er 9-10-03)
32 posted on 09/14/2003 11:48:09 AM CDT by Ispy4u (Kickin the crap out of #3Fan since 9-13-01)
59 posted on 09/15/2003 11:46:21 AM CDT by Ispy4u (Again ignoring #3Fan)
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